A question for my Messianic brethern

[Guest Greg G.]

There seems to be an influx of Messianic Christianity, (at least the group has gotten a great deal more vocal ) over the last few years, and I was wondering if anyone believed that this is the beginning of this promise.

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 

 

Ro 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 

   

Ro 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 

   

Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

It makes for an interesting thought regardless. It's pretty clear from scripture that God will never forsake Israel. Is this then the beginning of restoration of Israel's spiritual heritage?

[Leonard]

One does hope so, Brother Greg!

Leonard

[Guest Greg G.]

It's and intresting concept Leonard, and if you remember how the gentile church was started.....

[Leonard]

Paul said it would result in even greater blessings than the 'blindness' that has happened 'in part' to Israel; IT WOULD BE LIFE FROM THE DEAD!!!

[Guest Greg G.]

Paul said it would result in even greater blessings than the 'blindness' that has happened 'in part' to Israel;  IT WOULD BE LIFE FROM THE DEAD!!!

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True, but I was also thinking it was a part of God's timetable. If the gospel truely goes back to the Jews, doesn't that mean the time of the gentiles if fullfilled?

[Guest yod]

hmmmm....yeah.

According to Jesus, Jerusalem would be trod underfoot of the gentile until that time too...

And that happened in 1967 when there were zero messianic congregations in America. In 1968, the first 3 were birthed. Now there are hundreds....maybe thousands.

Yep, quite an astute observation there brutha....

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings,

In the land of Israel today, there is an enclave of Orthodox Judaism whose main purpose is to maintain their Orthodoxy and to prevent any Christian prostylization of its people. Laws are continually put forth prohibiting such prostylization by Christians. In Israel we thus see a very large voice coming from them.

Elsewhere in the world, Christians have to face NO law preventing them from prostylizing the Jews. There are only about 5.3 million Jews in Israel. There are another 11 million in the rest of the world and more than 6 million of them are right here in the USA. These that are yet in the "diaspora" are the ones which are going to be reached with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is true that the "fulness of the gentiles be come in (to the Kingdom of God)", has not yet reached fruition, and the Jews hearts are still hardened, and will remain that way until the "great apostacy" of the church, when the Kingdom of God shall be filled with all the gentiles that are going to be saved - ARE saved. But Orthodox Judaism in the land of Israel is going to continue. In the rest of the world, it is there that we shall have the greatest converts of the Jews.

BTW, the "times of the gentiles" (trampling down Israel) is NOT the same thing as the "fulness of the gentiles be come in" mentioned in Romans 11.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest yod]

BTW, the "times of the gentiles" (trampling down Israel) is NOT the same thing as the "fulness of the gentiles be come in" mentioned in Romans 11.

man, I'm glad that I ain't the only one who sees that.

the Jews hearts are still hardened, and will remain that way until the "great apostacy" of the church, when the Kingdom of God shall be filled with all the gentiles that are going to be saved - ARE saved.

why do you think that ALL gentiles who are going to be saved will happen before the "great apostacy" occurs? I think that is already begun and will be in full swing before long.

From what I can see there are a few nations like America, Australia, Zambia, Nigeria that have a large percentage of christians. The European "christian" nations ceased to be faithful long ago and I could see it happening in America in the next decade....

Then what?

But Orthodox Judaism in the land of Israel is going to continue. In the rest of the world, it is there that we shall have the greatest converts of the Jews.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, DE. The Orthodox are the only jews expecting a Messiah. They are only ones who know the scriptures and they are also VERY aware that "many gentiles are joined unto the land".

I agree that it's almost like an innoculation that blinds spiritual eyes but don't think God can't open them.

I'm counting on it.

Here is an interesting tidbit though. I have been told that it is a recent occurance of the last century that the Orthodox have developed a practise of mourning exactly like this scripture mentions.

Zechariah 12

11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be great, like the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives,

[cymba22]

"great apostacy" occurs? I think that is already begun

that wont happen until the falling away which wont happen until after the restrainer is removed.

[Guest yod]

"great apostacy" occurs? I think that is already begun

that wont happen until the falling away which wont happen until after the restrainer is removed.

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not sure where you live but I see apostasy in a large chunk of the church. It has gotten bad and is getting worse every day....even in America

It is complete in Europe