Split: Christian Freedom... (Gal. 5) - The Law & Sabbath

[fruitfull77]

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The Ten Commandments-The Law- is generally considered to be the standard for defining sin.

We have no problem with adhering to 9 of them.. Like Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not  take the name of the Lord in vain, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc.

But so many question God's fourth Commandment and insist that it has been changed.

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

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[Guest]

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

 

~

 

Well Beloved The Apostles Are Jews

 

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:22-30

 

And Not Only Is Jesus A Jew And The King Of The Jews

 

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed. Exodus 20:8-11

 

But Jesus Is The LORD Creator

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

 

And The Very One Who Gave The Sabbath To The Jews

 

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

 

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Exodus 31:12-17

 

But I Believe Your Question Is Really About Those Bacon Eaters

 

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:1-4

 

The Gentile

 

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Romans 14:5-12

 

Believer

 

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

 

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

 

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

 

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

 

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

 

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:13-23

 

Seems Clear To Me

A Jew Will Usually Rest On Day Seven

The LORD Jesus Rested On The Very First Day Seven

And A Gentile May Or May Not Rest On Day Seven Or Even On Day One Or On Day Two

 

But I Clearly Can See The Foundational Rule Is That Love For Another Trumps My Rights

And Wasn't It Love For Another What Caused Jesus To Go To The Cross 

And Love That Kept Him On It

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

[Guest Butero]

The Ten Commandments-The Law- is generally considered to be the standard for defining sin.

We have no problem with adhering to 9 of them.. Like Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not  take the name of the Lord in vain, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc.

But so many question God's fourth Commandment and insist that it has been changed.

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

Your wording is interesting in that you ask, "Where in plain language" does it say "we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?"  You didn't ask where this was taught?  In the book of Hebrews, we are taught that the seventh day Sabbath was symbolic of a greater rest we have entered into when we accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and laid down our sinful burdens.  This is really an entirely differen't topic than what is being discussed here.  In addition to that, the 10 commandments are not the only moral laws given to us by God through his servant Moses.  For instance, we know witchcraft is a sin because we are told not to suffer a witch to live in the law of Moses, but it isn't part of the 10 Commandments.  BTW, I am not suggesting we kill all witches.  I am just saying witchcraft is a sin, but not part of the 10 commandments. 

[fruitfull77]

 

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

 

~

 

Well Beloved The Apostles Are Jews

 

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:22-30

 

And Not Only Is Jesus A Jew And The King Of The Jews

 

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed. Exodus 20:8-11

 

But Jesus Is The LORD Creator

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

 

And The Very One Who Gave The Sabbath To The Jews

 

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

 

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Exodus 31:12-17

 

But I Believe Your Question Is Really About Those Bacon Eaters

 

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:1-4

 

The Gentile

 

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Romans 14:5-12

 

Believer

 

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

 

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

 

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

 

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

 

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

 

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:13-23

 

Seems Clear To Me

A Jew Will Usually Rest On Day Seven

The LORD Jesus Rested On The Very First Day Seven

And A Gentile May Or May Not Rest On Day Seven Or Even On Day One Or On Day Two

 

But I Clearly Can See The Foundational Rule Is That Love For Another Trumps My Rights

And Wasn't It Love For Another What Caused Jesus To Go To The Cross 

And Love That Kept Him On It

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

 

 

Was the seventh day Sabbath made for the Jews only or was it made for all of mankind.?

If it was made holy at the time of creation it precedes the existence of Judah.

But still no scripture plainly says stop observing the 7th day even to the gentiles, just vague interpretations which would contradict Jesus's requirement to keep the commandments in order to receive eternal life which would include the fourth one I believe.

[fruitfull77]

 

The Ten Commandments-The Law- is generally considered to be the standard for defining sin.

We have no problem with adhering to 9 of them.. Like Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not  take the name of the Lord in vain, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc.

But so many question God's fourth Commandment and insist that it has been changed.

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

Your wording is interesting in that you ask, "Where in plain language" does it say "we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?"  You didn't ask where this was taught?  In the book of Hebrews, we are taught that the seventh day Sabbath was symbolic of a greater rest we have entered into when we accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and laid down our sinful burdens.  This is really an entirely differen't topic than what is being discussed here.  In addition to that, the 10 commandments are not the only moral laws given to us by God through his servant Moses.  For instance, we know witchcraft is a sin because we are told not to suffer a witch to live in the law of Moses, but it isn't part of the 10 Commandments.  BTW, I am not suggesting we kill all witches.  I am just saying witchcraft is a sin, but not part of the 10 commandments. 

 

The subject title included the Law which equates with the ten commandments.

Hebrews is not talking about the seventh day weekly Sabbath or rest.

Witchcraft is a violation of the first commandment " You shall have no other gods before me " Ex 20

God personally condemns witchcraft in Ex 22 and Deut 18.

[Guest]

Was the seventh day Sabbath made for the Jews only or was it made for all of mankind.?

If it was made holy at the time of creation it precedes the existence of Judah.

But still no scripture plainly says stop observing the 7th day even to the gentiles, just vague interpretations which would contradict Jesus's requirement to keep the commandments in order to receive eternal life which would include the fourth one I believe.

 

~

 

Wonderful Questions Beloved~!

 

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11

 

And As I Read It, First The Sabbath Was Made By And For Jesus Our Creator

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

 

And Then The Sabbath

 

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

 

And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

 

And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. Exodus 16:22-26

 

Was Made A Law

 

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

 

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

 

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11

 

And A Covenant Between Jesus And His Hebrews

 

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. Exodus 31:16

 

And Last, The Sabbath Was Made For The Good Of Man

 

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Mark 2:27-28

 

And I Am Sure The Sabbath, The Day Of Rest

 

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Hebrews 4:7-8

 

Goes Into Deeper Things

 

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Hebrews 4:9-10

 

Of The Way Of Our God

 

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:11

 

But Then Again I Think I Have Far More To Learn

 

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

 

Than I Could Ever Imagine

 

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9

 

~

 

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[GoldenEagle]

 

Was the seventh day Sabbath made for the Jews only or was it made for all of mankind.?

If it was made holy at the time of creation it precedes the existence of Judah.

But still no scripture plainly says stop observing the 7th day even to the gentiles, just vague interpretations which would contradict Jesus's requirement to keep the commandments in order to receive eternal life which would include the fourth one I believe.

 

 

What do you think Jesus meant when he said:

 

Mark 2:27

And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

 

Jesus healed (considered work) many times on the Sabbath... Did Jesus break the Sabbath? Here's one instance:

 

Luke 13:10-17

A Woman with a Disabling Spirit

¹⁰ Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. ¹¹ And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. ¹² When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.” ¹³ And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. ¹⁴ But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” ¹⁵ Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it? ¹⁶ And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?” ¹⁷ As he said these things, all his adversaries were put to shame, and all the people rejoiced at all the glorious things that were done by him.

 

See also: John 5:5-14

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

The Ten Commandments-The Law- is generally considered to be the standard for defining sin.

We have no problem with adhering to 9 of them.. Like Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not  take the name of the Lord in vain, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc.

But so many question God's fourth Commandment and insist that it has been changed.

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

Your wording is interesting in that you ask, "Where in plain language" does it say "we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?"  You didn't ask where this was taught?  In the book of Hebrews, we are taught that the seventh day Sabbath was symbolic of a greater rest we have entered into when we accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and laid down our sinful burdens.  This is really an entirely differen't topic than what is being discussed here.  In addition to that, the 10 commandments are not the only moral laws given to us by God through his servant Moses.  For instance, we know witchcraft is a sin because we are told not to suffer a witch to live in the law of Moses, but it isn't part of the 10 Commandments.  BTW, I am not suggesting we kill all witches.  I am just saying witchcraft is a sin, but not part of the 10 commandments. 

 

The subject title included the Law which equates with the ten commandments.

Hebrews is not talking about the seventh day weekly Sabbath or rest.

Witchcraft is a violation of the first commandment " You shall have no other gods before me " Ex 20

God personally condemns witchcraft in Ex 22 and Deut 18.

 

 

I will have to agree with BUtero the Law is significantly more than just the 10 Commandments.

  

 

Further, regarding the Sabbath... What do you think of this passage in Col 2? Particularly verses 16 and 17?

 

 

 

Col 2:11-23

Not Legalism but Christ

 ¹¹ In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, ¹² buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. ¹³ And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, ¹⁴ having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. ¹⁵ Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

 

¹⁶ So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. ⁸ Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, ¹⁹ and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

 

²⁰ Therefore,if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— ²¹ “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” ²² which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? ²³ These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.  

 

God bless,

GE

[fruitfull77]

 

 

 

The Ten Commandments-The Law- is generally considered to be the standard for defining sin.

We have no problem with adhering to 9 of them.. Like Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not  take the name of the Lord in vain, thou shalt not commit adultery, etc.

But so many question God's fourth Commandment and insist that it has been changed.

People think it doesn't matter which day we observe as long as we worship God in our own way and when.

Can anyone explain what happened to keeping the 4th since Jesus kept it and the Apostles celebrated the seventh day long after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Where in plain language in the New Testament does it says that we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?

Your wording is interesting in that you ask, "Where in plain language" does it say "we don't have to honor the seventh day anymore?"  You didn't ask where this was taught?  In the book of Hebrews, we are taught that the seventh day Sabbath was symbolic of a greater rest we have entered into when we accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and laid down our sinful burdens.  This is really an entirely differen't topic than what is being discussed here.  In addition to that, the 10 commandments are not the only moral laws given to us by God through his servant Moses.  For instance, we know witchcraft is a sin because we are told not to suffer a witch to live in the law of Moses, but it isn't part of the 10 Commandments.  BTW, I am not suggesting we kill all witches.  I am just saying witchcraft is a sin, but not part of the 10 commandments. 

 

The subject title included the Law which equates with the ten commandments.

Hebrews is not talking about the seventh day weekly Sabbath or rest.

Witchcraft is a violation of the first commandment " You shall have no other gods before me " Ex 20

God personally condemns witchcraft in Ex 22 and Deut 18.

 

 

I will have to agree with BUtero the Law is significantly more than just the 10 Commandments.

  

 

Further, regarding the Sabbath... What do you think of this passage in Col 2? Particularly verses 16 and 17?

 

 

 

Col 2:11-23

Not Legalism but Christ

 ¹¹ In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, ¹² buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. ¹³ And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, ¹⁴ having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. ¹⁵ Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

 

¹⁶ So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. ⁸ Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, ¹⁹ and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

 

²⁰ Therefore,if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— ²¹ “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” ²² which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? ²³ These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. 

 

God bless,

GE

 

Since sin is the transgression of the Law all unrighteousness would violate the 10 Commandments.

What moral laws would you consider to be outside of the 10 Commandments?

 

In Col 2- Paul's main point is that the Colossian deceivers had no authority to judge or determine how theColossians were to observe God's holydays.

From vs 16-17 we see that Paul is countering a local heresy-he is actually confirming the value of God's holydays to Christians and explains that they foreshadow " things to come " He's talking about the future.

Succumbing to the heretics is what Paul is condemning, not the observance of Sabbaths and God's feast days.

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Was the seventh day Sabbath made for the Jews only or was it made for all of mankind.?

If it was made holy at the time of creation it precedes the existence of Judah.

But still no scripture plainly says stop observing the 7th day even to the gentiles, just vague interpretations which would contradict Jesus's requirement to keep the commandments in order to receive eternal life which would include the fourth one I believe.

 

 

What do you think Jesus meant when he said:

 

Mark 2:27

And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

 

Jesus healed (considered work) many times on the Sabbath... Did Jesus break the Sabbath? Here's one instance:

 

Luke 13:10-17

A Woman with a Disabling Spirit

¹⁰ Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. ¹¹ And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. ¹² When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.” ¹³ And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. ¹⁴ But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” ¹⁵ Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it? ¹⁶ And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?” ¹⁷ As he said these things, all his adversaries were put to shame, and all the people rejoiced at all the glorious things that were done by him.

 

See also: John 5:5-14

 

Jesus reformed the Sabbath to its rightful place as designed in creation where the Sabbath is made for all mankind and not just for a select group.

Jesus was a Sabbath keeper. He set the example as to how we should keep it by doing good and not be burdened down by legalistic restrictions as mandated by Rabbinic halakhah. The freedom Jesus showed we could have was from the harsh rules inflicted by over regulating by man's rules. But the freedom did not include abolishing the observance of the Sabbath from its original design.

What does it mean when Jesus says " Think not that I am come to destroy the Law..."  If He told you not to think something, would you believe Him?

Or should we believe something were true when Jesus told you it was not?