No Scripture Identifies the Time for the Rapture

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Marv when are you going to understand the scripture about Noah and being taken away, that scripture isn't about a rapture of the bride, the ones taken away are the ones that were taken away by the flood. That's the way it will be with the coming of the Son of Man, the ones taken are the evil ones, taken to where the eagles are gathered to be the main coarse for dinner.

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? 

 

they enter the 1000 year reign

 

So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats?  Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ?  Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth?  Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to?

 

It does not appear that you believe in a rapture.  And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario?

 

your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine

 

 

I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead.  But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? 

 

The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom

 

 

So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? 

 

It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives

 

 

But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left????  Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones??

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Marv when are you going to understand the scripture about Noah and being taken away, that scripture isn't about a rapture of the bride, the ones taken away are the ones that were taken away by the flood. That's the way it will be with the coming of the Son of Man, the ones taken are the evil ones, taken to where the eagles are gathered to be the main coarse for dinner.

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? 

 

they enter the 1000 year reign

 

So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats?  Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ?  Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth?  Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to?

 

It does not appear that you believe in a rapture.  And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario?

 

your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine

 

 

I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead.  But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? 

 

The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom

 

 

So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? 

 

It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives

 

 

But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left????  Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones??

 

The ones taken are the evil ones, they are gathered and burned. The righteous go with the Lord. 

I am ready, I got ready 50 years ago, and I still won't know the day or hour until that day is upon us.

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Marv when are you going to understand the scripture about Noah and being taken away, that scripture isn't about a rapture of the bride, the ones taken away are the ones that were taken away by the flood. That's the way it will be with the coming of the Son of Man, the ones taken are the evil ones, taken to where the eagles are gathered to be the main coarse for dinner.

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? 

 

they enter the 1000 year reign

 

So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats?  Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ?  Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth?  Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to?

 

It does not appear that you believe in a rapture.  And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario?

 

your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine

 

 

I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead.  But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? 

 

The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom

 

 

So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? 

 

It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives

 

 

But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left????  Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones??

 

The ones taken are the evil ones, they are gathered and burned. The righteous go with the Lord. 

I am ready, I got ready 50 years ago, and I still won't know the day or hour until that day is upon us.

 

 

I think you're really getting ahead of yourself in this prophecy.  There's nothing in here to indicate that the evil ones are either taken or burned.  You create a problem when you start adding the wheat and tares into this mix.  The wheat and tares would fit much better with the sheep and goats at the end of Matt. 25, which is the end of the age.  That is also the second coming, and when He will judge the nations, but it is vitally important to know that judgment first begins with the house of the Lord (1 Pet. 4:17).  In Matt. 24 we see Christ gathering His elect, telling His followers that they must be ready, followed by several parables that have nothing whatsoever to do with the physical second coming to the earth, but everything to do with the rapture.  This is all about the judgment of His servants first; and then He will judge the survivors of the nations afterward, which will determine who will enter the millennial kingdom.  (See my comments in post #84)

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Marv when are you going to understand the scripture about Noah and being taken away, that scripture isn't about a rapture of the bride, the ones taken away are the ones that were taken away by the flood. That's the way it will be with the coming of the Son of Man, the ones taken are the evil ones, taken to where the eagles are gathered to be the main coarse for dinner.

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? 

 

they enter the 1000 year reign

 

So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats?  Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ?  Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth?  Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to?

 

It does not appear that you believe in a rapture.  And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario?

 

your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine

 

 

I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead.  But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? 

 

The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom

 

 

So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? 

 

It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives

 

 

But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left????  Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones??

 

The ones taken are the evil ones, they are gathered and burned. The righteous go with the Lord. 

I am ready, I got ready 50 years ago, and I still won't know the day or hour until that day is upon us.

 

 

I think you're really getting ahead of yourself in this prophecy.  There's nothing in here to indicate that the evil ones are either taken or burned.  You create a problem when you start adding the wheat and tares into this mix.  The wheat and tares would fit much better with the sheep and goats at the end of Matt. 25, which is the end of the age.  That is also the second coming, and when He will judge the nations, but it is vitally important to know that judgment first begins with the house of the Lord (1 Pet. 4:17).  In Matt. 24 we see Christ gathering His elect, telling His followers that they must be ready, followed by several parables that have nothing whatsoever to do with the physical second coming to the earth, but everything to do with the rapture.  This is all about the judgment of His servants first; and then He will judge the survivors of the nations afterward, which will determine who will enter the millennial kingdom.  (See my comments in post #84)

 

The pre-tribbers are the ones getting ahead of themselves. The rapture and second coming are the same event, not 2 events separated by 7 years.

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I have been in Christ 40 years and the Lord has taught me through Scripture how to determine "year of creation" and also provided sufficient "understanding" to daniel 9:24-27.
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I believe most of the comments in this thread are generally correct although I believe ALL of the posters have displayed one common misunderstandnig of scripture.  The ministry of Jesus Christ was exactly 3 1/2 years.  Therefore the Great Tribulation will only be 3 1/2 years during which time the beast of Revelation rules on the earth.  The middle of Daniel's 70th seven IS the church age and therefore the END cannot be predicted.

However scriputre does NOT require a third temple in Jerusalem to be build and the Great Tribulation can begin at any moment.  It might look like the trouble we see in Egypt and Syria today during which time ALL Christians will be persecuted.  You are missing one important fact is that the church will be raptured during the Sixth Seal Rapture of the Church.  It is right there in Revelation.  What follows is the Wrath of the Lamb and the Wrath of God on the earth.  And it all fits perfectly with Daniel.

[His Ambassador]

The only possible "rapture" is after the judgements when God destroys this Earth and creates the new Heaven and Earth.  We will then be placed on the New Earth where we will spend eternity.

[JohnD]

The scripture DOES identify the time of the rapture!

 

And in an ingenious way...

 

Daniel 12:11-12 (NASB95)
11 “From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12 “How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

 

1290 days from the end of time (the last 1290 days) the regular Jewish Temple sacrifices will be abolished.

Those who wait on the Lord will be blessed on day 1335.

 

These are in the time frame of the 70th Week of Daniel (7 360-day years = 2520 days).

 

1290 days from its end and the end is verse 11.

On day 1335 of the 2520 days is the rapture.

 

This would seem to be date setting but it is not. Because not until 1290 days from the end will mankind know for certain when the 70th Week of Daniel actually began.

 

There will be a 105 day overlap... but the believers who will be raptured and survive to this point in time will be so deep in hiding as not to get the news or the exact date of the abolishing of the Temple sacrifice.

 

Before the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21 / Jeremiah 30:7) in the latter half of the 70th Week of Daniel, there will be a tribulation against the Body of Christ:

 

Revelation 12:17 (NASB95)
17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

 

Revelation 13:5-10 (NASB95)
5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

 

The mark of the beast is for tracking down the one people on planet earth who will not receive it... Christians.

 

Revelation 13:16-18 (NASB95)
16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

 

Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB95)
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

 

[Montana Marv]

John

 

Both the 1,290 day (extra 30 days) and the 1,335 days (another extra 45 days) stem from the mid point of the week, per Dan 12:11; when the sacrifice is abolished and the A/D is set up.

 

The extra 30 day period following the 70th week is most likely the duration of the Battle of Armageddon.  The next 45 day period would be the length of time for the birds of the air to eat the flesh of those who have died, per Rev 19:17.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

DB, Enoch

 

Since Jesus is the Spoken and Written Word (and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us) and only God the Father is the one who knows when the Rapture will occur; The time of the Rapture is NOT revealed in Scripture.  There is no hidden set of numbers, or putting numbers and days in a certain way that will lead us to the Rapture.  If so, Jesus Christ would know, He is a lot smarter than we are.

 

Mid trib, Pre wrath, Post trib and even Pre trib doctrines are ALL man made and wild guesses.  If you have found Scripture supporting your point of view, guess what, it is not there, your interpretation is wrong, your co-mingling of facts is wrong.  We know the Rapture will happen at an unknown time.  I put my money on Pre trib because we do not know when the 70th Week of Daniel will start.  It might be one week or one year or five years from know.  But once it does began we know that there are 7 more years remaining plus anther 30 and 45 day period.  That gets pretty close, a 3 1/2 year window of knowing.  Right now we are in a 2000 year window and still not knowing

 

The Second Coming is a known time.  Mid trib is a known time, and even pre wrath is a known time, one is tying it to a Seal; search Daniel and Revelation.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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Marv when are you going to understand the scripture about Noah and being taken away, that scripture isn't about a rapture of the bride, the ones taken away are the ones that were taken away by the flood. That's the way it will be with the coming of the Son of Man, the ones taken are the evil ones, taken to where the eagles are gathered to be the main coarse for dinner.

If the evil are taken away, what becomes of the ones that are left in your scenario? 

 

they enter the 1000 year reign

 

So you believe they are the sheep that get separated from the goats?  Then who are the saints that will rule and reign over them with Christ?  Or, if you believe these ARE the saints, then who are the ones that they will rule over, the ones who will re-populate the earth?  Also, who were the least of Christ' brothers that the sheep ministered to?

 

It does not appear that you believe in a rapture.  And what about the martyr's that are killed for refusing the mark of the beast, where do they come into play in your scenario?

 

your right about that, there won't be any pre-trib rapture. That is totally a man made doctrine

 

 

I agree with you about the pre-trib timing, but it does not appear that you believe in any rapture whatsoever, since your interpretation is that the evil ones are taken away instead.  But what is your understanding of the ones who are left? 

 

The rapture and the second coming are the same event. The Lord is coming back to set up His Kingdom on this Earth, the ones left will join the Lord in his Kingdom

 

 

So how do you understand our gathering in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? 

 

It happens just like the Bible says, we meet the Lord in the air. We then make our way to Bozrah and then to the Mt of Olives

 

 

But you said the evil ones were taken, ie, two will be in the field, one is taken, the other is left...Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, the other is left????  Then Christ repeatedly says no one knows the day and the hour and to be ready, but you say these are the evil ones??

 

The ones taken are the evil ones, they are gathered and burned. The righteous go with the Lord. 

I am ready, I got ready 50 years ago, and I still won't know the day or hour until that day is upon us.

 

 

I think you're really getting ahead of yourself in this prophecy.  There's nothing in here to indicate that the evil ones are either taken or burned.  You create a problem when you start adding the wheat and tares into this mix.  The wheat and tares would fit much better with the sheep and goats at the end of Matt. 25, which is the end of the age.  That is also the second coming, and when He will judge the nations, but it is vitally important to know that judgment first begins with the house of the Lord (1 Pet. 4:17).  In Matt. 24 we see Christ gathering His elect, telling His followers that they must be ready, followed by several parables that have nothing whatsoever to do with the physical second coming to the earth, but everything to do with the rapture.  This is all about the judgment of His servants first; and then He will judge the survivors of the nations afterward, which will determine who will enter the millennial kingdom.  (See my comments in post #84)

 

The pre-tribbers are the ones getting ahead of themselves. The rapture and second coming are the same event, not 2 events separated by 7 years.

 

 

I agree, but not to worry, their theory will be the first one to fall.  The rapture and second coming are definitely not the same event, but what makes you so sure they are???