"Oneness" believers

[Joe@actsii]

I am bumbing this for Brother Chad. I hope you find it interesting?

[MK202002]

This is strange to me even though I have grown up in the UM church and taught of the Trinity from childhood. Somehow at times it seems like some mental disorder (maybe it's my own meds). It's so simple yet so hard to fathom that one can be 3.

hi, I was also raised in a United Methodist Church. Although we were taught that all three of these are God, and the oneness idea also teaches this, I found a few ideas dispelled from my head.

1. First, God is everywhere all the time. Omnipresent

2. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same one God. Even though we know this, sometimes we picture 3 seperate Gods in our heads, with 3 seperate personalities. When you pray to God you are praying to the same Jesus.

3. God's name is Jesus.

[thunderbyrd]

here is a problem for Apostolic Pentecostals: if all that you believe is true, from the teaching of "oneness" to the profound legalism you bind believers with, how can the following Scripture be true:

Revelation 7:9 ...a great multidude, which no man could number...stood before the throne..."

If the "oneness" Pentecostals are correct, it will be thousands of years before Christ can return, before the afore-mentioned crowd can ever accumulate in Heaven. Why? because, for one thing, this oddball belief has only existed as a denomination since 1913. And it's always been a small group, so since 1913, only maybe a couple of 100,000 could have died "in the faith." For another, they have no problem teaching you that nobody but themselves will "make it", not only must you believe the "oneness" doctrine, but also you must keep perfectly every law that can be found in the New Testatment, and also whatever bylaws their pastor comes up with. disobedience is total damnation, you servant of satan, you! So of the few that died "in the faith", probably alot of them weren't quite perfect and were sent straight to hell. So cut the above number in half.

Sorry, but i really hate this false teaching. I don't hate the poor souls who are enslaved in it - and i don't believe they are lost, but i hope one day THE LORD SETS THEM FREE AND THIS DENOMINATION DISAPPEARS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. I've seen some of the fruits of this denomination and alot of it was not good at all.

[Joe@actsii]

here is a problem for Apostolic Pentecostals: if all that you believe is true, from the teaching of "oneness" to the profound legalism you bind believers with, how can the following Scripture be true:

Revelation 7:9 ...a great multidude, which no man could number...stood before the throne..."

If the "oneness" Pentecostals are correct, it will be thousands of years before Christ can return, before the afore-mentioned crowd can ever accumulate in Heaven. Why? because, for one thing, this oddball belief has only existed as a denomination since 1913. And it's always been a small group, so since 1913, only maybe a couple of 100,000 could have died "in the faith." For another, they have no problem teaching you that nobody but themselves will "make it", not only must you believe the "oneness" doctrine, but also you must keep perfectly every law that can be found in the New Testatment, and also whatever bylaws their pastor comes up with. disobedience is total damnation, you servant of satan, you! So of the few that died "in the faith", probably alot of them weren't quite perfect and were sent straight to hell. So cut the above number in half.

Sorry, but i really hate this false teaching. I don't hate the poor souls who are enslaved in it - and i don't believe they are lost, but i hope one day THE LORD SETS THEM FREE AND THIS DENOMINATION DISAPPEARS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. I've seen some of the fruits of this denomination and alot of it was not good at all.

Thunderbyrd, I am reposting something I said here awhile ago. Some of what you have post is incorrect, other things are exaggerated quite a bit. Please read the following. Thank you.

Hello my name is Joe and I am new around here. I find this site to be very interesting. I am an "oneness Pentecostal", although I don't claim to be an expert on the oneness. I believe it and understand it as far as knowing it is the truth, but not as far as being the best choice to explain it.

I have read this thread, and see that some of you have had some bad experiences with "oneness" believers. I would just like to say that there are good and bad in all denominations. Some times this is our own flesh and other times it is just immaturity in expressing ourselves to others. It does not make the person wrong, but there approach is wrong. If I have a friend who is over weight I can say the something two ways, (1) tell them that they are fat and out of shape, need to stop eating like a pig and our likely to die of a heart attack, or (2) I can tell them that I am concerned with their health and politely encourage them to change there eating habits and try to get some exercise.

I know personally I can sometimes get defensive and passionate about what I believe. I don

[thunderbyrd]

Joe: you seem to be a very Christlike person. i don't believe that people in "oneness" are not saved - but here's a question for you, Brother Joe: i was not baptised in Jesus name only - am i saved, Joe? I smoke cigarettes, tried to quit many times, hope to completely kick the habit someday, but in the meantime, am i saved, Joe? Also, on Friday nights, when there is nothing important going on, i drink 3 bottles of beer - not every Friday, mind you, and i never go beyond 3 beers. Am i saved, Joe? Furthermore, my wife has short hair, wears make-up and wears pants. Is she saved, Joe? it's alright, you can say "no" and i won't be insulted, because i know that your apostolic doctrines on all these topics is pure control-freak legalism and nothing more.

And, Joe, don't answer, "well, no one can say..." because that is NOT the way it is preached at your church. Your pastor lays down the law to you guys and you guys obey, and your pastor would have no trouble at all sending me and most of the human race to hell because we are not up to HIS insane "holiness" standard (which standard will change as the years go by, according to his own thoughts, watch and see).

As i said, i think you really are a nice guy - normally i'm a pretty nice guy. But i'm just not an advocate of spiritual slavery, and that is exactly how i perceive the Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal denomination.

[Joe@actsii]

Joe: you seem to be a very Christlike person.

Thank you very much. I try, but rest assured I can be very carnal, opinionated and insensitive. But the good news is that I am a work in progress. I just need to stop putting my hands into the work of the potter.

i don't believe that people in "oneness" are not saved - but here's a question for you, Brother Joe: i was not baptised in Jesus name only - am i saved, Joe?

It doesn

[thunderbyrd]

Hey, joe, if you want to straighten me out further, you will have to email me! Worthye board won't let me accept anymore PM"s. So if you want to carry on this religious argument email me at markfrnk1@fewpb.net.

[thunderbyrd]

Bump me to the top of the pile!!!!

[thunderbyrd]

But i must say one more thing, though, Brother Joe, before i am banned from this board: You didn't really address my 1st post, my friend! if youse guys belief is true, and getting baptised "in Jesus name only" is the only acceptable form of baptism, how long will it take for Rev. 7:9 to come true? And the FACT that your denomination has only existed since 1913 (or is it 1933?) means it will have to be way, way, way in the future because darn few can measure up to your standards.

You asked what is my experince with this doctrine? I saw a young woman, single mother, get saved, then was told by her Apostolic psycho brethern she would have to leave a well-paid job she landed because she was required to wear trousers. I saw one of your pastor's tell families in his church that if a family wanted to take a vacation they would have to clear it with him. i saw this same bunch of idiots shun a woman and refuse to visit her or help her when she was dying with cancer because this woman didn't wear a wig when they came to visit. I saw an older man who one would think would know better DESTROY a younger Christian because the young man couldn't uphold the legalistic lies the older believer's church demanded.

in truth, the main fruit i have seen from these churches is massive denial and fakery, because so few can really "measure up."

Yes, Brother Joe, it is entirely possible that your pastor and your church are smarter than this bunch. i honestly hope so. This next might be mistaken for an insult, i honestly don't mean it that way, but it is the truth i have observed: the apostolic pentacostal churches i have seen are always the church where the poorest, most beat-down, uneducated and unintelligent people in that given community are. This would be a positive thing if those churches then took those people and lifted then up and really helped them, but they don't. They enslave them and reinforce their poverty.

Yes, folks, it is totally true: i am absolutely prejudiced against the teachings and overall culture of this denomination. I don't hate the people in it, like our good brother Joe, it's just that all i've ever seen of it is misery.

[Joe@actsii]

Hey, joe, if you want to straighten me out further, you will have to email me! Worthye board won't let me accept anymore PM"s. So if you want to carry on this religious argument email me at markfrnk1@fewpb.net.

Thunderbyrd, it is good to hear from you. How have you been? I am a little confused about your posts. Did you get the two PM