missmuffet Posted November 1, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 1, 2013 In the mean time, we must work to alleviate the suffering as our duty. For with the curse, God has given us intelligence to overcome some of it. In the examination of things it is apparent we take 1 step forward and three back... We are existing in infinite yet we maintain a finite perspective cause that just the way things are done down here (?) We sacrifice that which is around us in order to do that which you speak of.... so as long as I don't suffer what comes after is of little consequence! Granted it would be neurotic to invite it as a desired thing but to accept it as necessary to the fulfillment of His Word 1 John 4:17-19 17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. 19 We love Him because He first loved us. NKJV John 16:32-33 33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." NKJV The real light is that we live in the permanent and not the temporary for God does not wish us to set our hearts upon it 1 John 2:15-17 15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world — the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life — is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. NKJV loving not even our own bodies that desperately searches escape from suffering as all may come against like Job but God will come to us when that which He is not keeping is burnt away and that which He has begun in us stands apart from the consideration of temporal suffering... Love, Steven Well said enoob.....yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted November 1, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,658 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 1, 2013 No one is exempt from suffering. I cannot use any other reference other then the Bible. God did not promise us this life without pain. He did promise however He would walk us through it with us step by step if we choose to trust Him. This world is not our home. Our real home is in Heaven with Christ. Even Paul said that what he was going through now did not even compare what awaited him and those who believe in Jesus. in fact he counted it all joy to suffer for Christ sake because he know where his real reward was. None of us are going to get out of this life alive unless we are raptured, and even then we are subject to live in a fallen world and live in bodies that break down. So until then trust in Him and know that He is able to see us through until the end. AMEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted November 1, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 As I pointed out in an earlier post, the ancient Biblical authors were greatly troubled by suffering and offered various ideas on why it exists. The view that our sojourn here on Earth is so fleeting in comparison to eternity has great appeal. I haven't seen yet a one size fits all theodicy, much of it remains a mystery. I do not think it offensive to God to wonder why. I think that He would be more concerned with how we react to it here on earth: empathizing with those suffering, alleviating it as we can (and tremendous strides in this have occurred with modern medicine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerboy Posted November 5, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2013 Don't think.... just obey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted November 5, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Oy veh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 14, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,192 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Don't think.... just obey Oooops Isa 1:18 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. KJV I believe God wants us to reason with Him in all things 'that which we are made able to!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted November 14, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,658 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2013 Don't think.... just obey Oooops Isa 1:1818 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet,they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. KJVI believe God wants us to reason with Him in all things 'that which we are made able to!' That is what they teach you in the millitary. God says don't rely on your own understanding, but in all your way acknowledge Him and He shall direct your paths; and to obey is better than sacrefice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted November 14, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 I do think God wants us to dialogue and ask Him for answers. Yes, we must follow, but with our minds as well as hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I do think God wants us to dialogue and ask Him for answers. Yes, we must follow, but with our minds as well as hearts. Children One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in his temple. Psalms 27:4 Love For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. Psalms 27:5 To And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD. Psalms 27:6 Talk Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. Psalms 27:7 To When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. Psalms 27:8 Daddy And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6 Beloved, Have You Poured Your Heart Out To Abba Father Lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloe_fantastic Posted November 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 868 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/09/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1981 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I do think God wants us to dialogue and ask Him for answers. Yes, we must follow, but with our minds as well as hearts. Children One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in his temple. Psalms 27:4 Love For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. Psalms 27:5 To And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD. Psalms 27:6 Talk Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. Psalms 27:7 To When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. Psalms 27:8 Daddy And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6 Beloved, Have You Poured Your Heart Out To Abba Father Lately? Reading this post made me so happy! How beautiful is His Word, and how lovely is He! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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