More evidence of Noah's Flood?

[Sheniy]

 

Enoch, once more, let’s return to the point.  You said that the Church held to geocentricism for so long because they weren’t reading the text closely.  My point is that, no matter how close you read the texts, you will never see heliocentricism.  That is all.  The Bible does not clearly teach heliocentricism.  At the time, the Church was well-advised to believe in geocentricism and nothing in the Bible contradicted that view.  And they were wrong.  Heliocentricism is right, and therefore passages that once supported geocentricism now had to be taken metaphorically.  Thus Biblical interpretation yielded to the sciences.  Your issue is (and always will be) that there can be no human component in the making of Scripture.  There is only ONE AUTHOR: the humans were just pens.  This is not only wrong historically and exegetically but also theologically.  When God redeemed Man he came as a Man.  When God wrote Scripture, He writes through men.

 

 

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You said that the Church held to geocentricism for so long because they weren’t reading the text closely.

 

 

Well sorta.  I'm saying the "church" (RCC), in your Genre, is actually not The Body of Christ.

You're Equivocating (Rather Fallaciously):  RCC = Christianity. ^{100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000----------------------------------->} 

 

 

 

 

Don't presume to know the minds of those who lived centuries ago, Enoch.  The institution of the RCC may be evil/corrupted, but that doesn't mean that every person involved in it was evil/corrupted.     Be wary of some of the teachings of the RCC, but don't throw out the wheat with the chaff.  That particular judgment is God's job. 

 

There are member's of the body of Christ in the RCC.  I know several. 

 

We are making valid points here, and you're dodging them.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

 

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How is that a biggie?

 

Lets see off the Top of my head, You'll be @ a Loss when trying to explain:

 

1.  The Reason/Rationale for the Flood

 

2.  The Majority of the OT. (Including but not limited to):  The Desert Wonderings, Deuteronomy 7:1-5 (more on this in a minute).

 

3.  The Majority of End Time Prophecy.

 

 

Can you tell me, If your of the "Sethite" View....what is your answer to New Christians or Seasoned Christians when this question is posed, and it will be posed I assure you: 

 

Why did GOD instruct the Hebrews to KILL ALL (Including Women/Children) of these tribes.  See Deuteronomy 7:1-5

 

And you best have an answer..... and not just some Whimsical Answer!

 

 

It's just a different perspective of Genesis 6.

 

It's just a different Perspective????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So the Bible is Open to Everyone's "Perspective"?? That's GREAT!!......we are now be able to ascertain Absolute Truth Together with everyone's "Perspective" 

 

That's Almost Like getting everyone's "Perspective" on  2 + 2 = 4

 

 

But this guy contributed to the theology of the Trinity and original sin, among other things.

 

So He proposed what is Plainly Written in the WORD of GOD.   kudos!

 

 

Or maybe you're dodging on purpose?

 

Yes, I'm scared.

 

 

If you wish to be consistent, you must also throw out all teachings of Chuck Missler, since he doesn't interpret the serpent in Genesis as literal. (gasp!)

 

What's making me gasp is the prospect that you actually thought this through before posting it.

 

Let me try to explain this to you:  I don't follow anybody.....Only the WORD of GOD!!!!  In my wonderings, I come across various people of Science, Scripture, Model Airplane Construction et al.

 

I then Listen to what they have to say....because I follow this, in Steps:

 

(Proverbs 18:13) "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

 

and then this

 

(1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

 

 

I put EACH and EVERY: Idea, Postulate, Claim, et al  THROUGH MY OWN PERSONAL CRUCIBLE (which is Obsessively Comprehensive^{1000000000000000000000------>}) then and only then do they past muster.  It's like a Berean mind set (See ACTS)

 

 

If by chance this Individual or organization has a Postulate/Claim/Idea.....Regardless whether they like or believe in Blueberry Pie, 3 Toed Gnomes, or the Bangles.....I employ a LASER LIKE FOCUS on just THAT CLAIM and tear it apart 6 ways from Sunday to Verify/Validate and measure Veracity.

 

I don't get distracted by the Background Noise, Pretty Colors, or the Dazzling Light Show....while they attempt to Slip in the Backdoor and defile my Family's HONOR!!!!!

 

 

If it passes Muster....then I go to the NEXT CLAIM.  SEE THE STEPS???  I don't follow anything BLINDLY....even if the first 1000 Postulates turn out to be correct the 1001 Postulate......

 

GETS THE SAME TREATMENT!!!!

 

 

Are WE Tracking Sheniy??

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

 

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Don't presume to know the minds of those who lived centuries ago, Enoch.

 

Just by your comments, you're well out of your Depth here Sheniy

 

The institution of the RCC may be evil/corrupted, but that doesn't mean that every person involved in it was evil/corrupted.

 

Well that would have been a great Point........If I said that.

 

In other words.....STRAWMAN, again.

 

 

Be wary of some of the teachings of the RCC, but don't throw out the wheat with the chaff.

 

Please spare me your "Generalized" Cliche type advice.   This specific topic advice is Tantamount to Richard Simmons helping Tiger Woods on his backswing.  Did it ever occur to you that I may have some "Background" in this Genre?  Maybe?  And not just the "Being Raised" in it, type of Background?

 

That particular judgment is God's job.

 

I see you have some problems with the word "Judgement" also.

 

 

We are making valid points here, and you're dodging them.

 

I thought we already established that I was scared.

 

Which "Points" were they again?

[Sheniy]

 

 

 

 

 

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How is that a biggie?

 

Lets see off the Top of my head, You'll be @ a Loss when trying to explain:

 

1.  The Reason/Rationale for the Flood

 

2.  The Majority of the OT. (Including but not limited to):  The Desert Wonderings, Deuteronomy 7:1-5 (more on this in a minute).

 

3.  The Majority of End Time Prophecy.

 

 

Can you tell me, If your of the "Sethite" View....what is your answer to New Christians or Seasoned Christians when this question is posed, and it will be posed I assure you: 

 

Why did GOD instruct the Hebrews to KILL ALL (Including Women/Children) of these tribes.  See Deuteronomy 7:1-5

 

And you best have an answer..... and not just some Whimsical Answer!

 

 

It's just a different perspective of Genesis 6.

 

It's just a different Perspective????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So the Bible is Open to Everyone's "Perspective"?? That's GREAT!!......we are now be able to ascertain Absolute Truth Together with everyone's "Perspective" 

 

That's Almost Like getting everyone's "Perspective" on  2 + 2 = 4

 

 

But this guy contributed to the theology of the Trinity and original sin, among other things.

 

So He proposed what is Plainly Written in the WORD of GOD.   kudos!

 

 

Or maybe you're dodging on purpose?

 

Yes, I'm scared.

 

 

If you wish to be consistent, you must also throw out all teachings of Chuck Missler, since he doesn't interpret the serpent in Genesis as literal. (gasp!)

 

What's making me gasp is the prospect that you actually thought this through before posting it.

 

Let me try to explain this to you:  I don't follow anybody.....Only the WORD of GOD!!!!  In my wonderings, I come across various people of Science, Scripture, Model Airplane Construction et al.

 

I then Listen to what they have to say....because I follow this, in Steps:

 

(Proverbs 18:13) "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

 

and then this

 

(1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

 

 

I put EACH and EVERY: Idea, Postulate, Claim, et al  THROUGH MY OWN PERSONAL CRUCIBLE (which is Obsessively Comprehensive^{1000000000000000000000------>}) then and only then do they past muster.  It's like a Berean mind set (See ACTS)

 

 

If by chance this Individual or organization has a Postulate/Claim/Idea.....Regardless whether they like or believe in Blueberry Pie, 3 Toed Gnomes, or the Bangles.....I employ a LASER LIKE FOCUS on just THAT CLAIM and tear it apart 6 ways from Sunday to Verify/Validate and measure Veracity.

 

I don't get distracted by the Background Noise, Pretty Colors, or the Dazzling Light Show....while they attempt to Slip in the Backdoor and defile my Family's HONOR!!!!!

 

 

If it passes Muster....then I go to the NEXT CLAIM.  SEE THE STEPS???  I don't follow anything BLINDLY....even if the first 1000 Postulates turn out to be correct the 1001 Postulate......

 

GETS THE SAME TREATMENT!!!!

 

 

Are WE Tracking Sheniy??

 

 

No.  I don't get it.  Why would you spend all that time examining blueberry pie.  I would just eat it. *shrug*

 

What you say you do and what you actually do don't match up.

 

St Augustine taught us many good things, but you disagree with his alternate interpretation of Genesis 6.  Therefore your reaction is to .  

 

Chuck Missler has taught us many good things.  But he has an alternate interpretation of Genesis 3.

 

 

Are you going to when faced with Chuck Missler's teachings, as well?  

 

Seems a bit reactionary to me.  Especially when both alternate interpretations are really not all that big a deal. (I disagree with your interpretation of "big deal")

 

I think you secretly agree with Dr Missler's interpretation, but can't admit it because it would be BLASPHEMY (according to Shiloh).  You like Dr Missler ( so do I. He's awesome).  But you can't accept my post on Augustine, because he disagrees with you, so you tear him down. 

 

But, again.  You missed the point of the quote entirely, so bashing Augustine is just a strawman.

[Enoch2021]

 

No.  I don't get it.  Why would you spend all that time examining blueberry pie.  I would just eat it. *shrug*

 

What you say you do and what you actually do don't match up.

 

St Augustine taught us many good things, but you disagree with his alternate interpretation of Genesis 6.  Therefore your reaction is to .  

 

Chuck Missler has taught us many good things.  But he has an alternate interpretation of Genesis 3.

 

 

Are you going to when faced with Chuck Missler's teachings, as well?  

 

Seems a bit reactionary to me.  Especially when both alternate interpretations are really not all that big a deal. (I disagree with your interpretation of "big deal")

 

I think you secretly agree with Dr Missler's interpretation, but can't admit it because it would be BLASPHEMY (according to Shiloh).  You like Dr Missler ( so do I. He's awesome).  But you can't accept my post on Augustine, because he disagrees with you, so you tear him down. 

 

But, again.  You missed the point of the quote entirely, so bashing Augustine is just a strawman.

 

 

 

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Even after I explain it to you rather simply....you just continue unabated right on the same path 

[Guest shiloh357]

  My point is that, no matter how close you read the texts, you will never see heliocentricism.  That is all.  The Bible does not clearly teach heliocentricism. 

 

The Bible doesn't teach geocentricism, either.

 

At the time, the Church was well-advised to believe in geocentricism and nothing in the Bible contradicted that view.  And they were wrong.  Heliocentricism is right, and therefore passages that once supported geocentricism now had to be taken metaphorically.

 

No, they are not taken metaphorically and they don't need to be since they were not addressing either geocentricism or heliocentrism.

 

 

Thus Biblical interpretation yielded to the sciences.

 

 Baloney. 

[jerryR34]

 

 

 

Thus Biblical interpretation yielded to the sciences.

 

 Baloney. 

 

The Bible always yields to science and chases after secular morality....the bible was written for men who did not understand the things we do today.  It will always be playing catch-up...I think God planned it that way. 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

Thus Biblical interpretation yielded to the sciences.

 

 Baloney. 

 

The Bible always yields to science and chases after secular morality....the bible was written for men who did not understand the things we do today.  It will always be playing catch-up...I think God planned it that way. 

 

More baloney from a little man who doesn't know beans about the Bible.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

 

Thus Biblical interpretation yielded to the sciences.

 

 Baloney. 

 

The Bible always yields to science and chases after secular morality....the bible was written for men who did not understand the things we do today.  It will always be playing catch-up...I think God planned it that way. 

 

 

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"yields to science"

 

 

Wait til I release the "Kracken" 

 

It is gonna be a "SIGHT TO SEE" regarding "science" after that .........I can assure you 

[Sheniy]

No.  I don't get it.  Why would you spend all that time examining blueberry pie.  I would just eat it. *shrug*

 

What you say you do and what you actually do don't match up.

 

St Augustine taught us many good things, but you disagree with his alternate interpretation of Genesis 6.  Therefore your reaction is to .  

 

Chuck Missler has taught us many good things.  But he has an alternate interpretation of Genesis 3.

 

 

Are you going to when faced with Chuck Missler's teachings, as well?  

 

Seems a bit reactionary to me.  Especially when both alternate interpretations are really not all that big a deal. (I disagree with your interpretation of "big deal")

 

I think you secretly agree with Dr Missler's interpretation, but can't admit it because it would be BLASPHEMY (according to Shiloh).  You like Dr Missler ( so do I. He's awesome).  But you can't accept my post on Augustine, because he disagrees with you, so you tear him down. 

 

But, again.  You missed the point of the quote entirely, so bashing Augustine is just a strawman.

 

 

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Even after I explain it to you rather simply....you just continue unabated right on the same path 

I am really trying to understand your logic, Enoch.

Are you saying we can reject all of your previous posts which include any comments or teachings by Chuck Missler?

That is what I understand of your actions in this thread.