More evidence of Noah's Flood?

[Sheniy]

Thou hast piqued my interest. Care to elaborate? I would like to understand your perspective better.

 

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Well that's a very very long story.....very very short version:

 

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Hope that helps Thou

 

I get the sense that maybe I've offended you some how?  If so, I am truly sorry. 

 

Thank you for sharing.  Your testimony seems a bit vague, and I'm guessing that's intentional.  I am still curious, but I won't pry if you don't want to share any further.

 

The parts that were clear to me, I can relate to.  I was force-fed untruths (unintentionally, I believe) that I am still sorting out to this day.    I understand the search for truth.  I understand the desire to know the Word of God as it was intended by Him.  In that area, I believe we are on the same path.

 

However, I believe there are some things that we will not know absolutely until Christ returns.  We should search for truth, but we won't know everything. (I believe this statement is supported biblically).  We can debate about them until we are red-faced and out of breath, but there are some areas that just aren't absolutely clear.  But they aren't absolutely relevant, either.  In fact, the bible discourages these kind of dissensions and encourages us to live in peace with one another.  Even if we disagree.

 

I was part of a church once (not RCC) that required belief in a certain 'major' doctrine.  Their theology was convincing.   Other christians were leaning more on their understanding of the "natural world" instead of trusting God's Word, and this was WRONG.  Anyone who didn't believe the plain reading of the text wasn't believing the bible, and therefore weren't "true" christians.    I believed these teachings whole-heartedly, and I would preach it to my other christian family members who believed differently.  Someone pulled me aside and showed me an alternate view of the text, one that required a symbolic or representative look at the subject instead of literal.  I didn't dare question scripture, and my religious mind was shouting "BLASPHEMY!", but I trusted this person, so I considered what she said.  She was able to support it in other areas of the bible.  I came to realize that my church and pastors were wrong, which was a huge leap for me.  I see how they twist the word to mean what they believe.  Not intentionally, I'm sure but compared to the rest of Christian theology, it's just a minor part, and the unnecessary division it causes in the Body of Christ is more damaging than it's worth.

 

  In case you were wondering, this doctrine is (I believe) commonly accepted as not literal.  And it has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Sheniy

[Sheniy]

Nope, I mean physical evidence of Humans and dinosaurs together.  Eye-witness accounts are notoriously erroneous.  Like I said before, humans can and have imagined and drawn all kinds of fanciful things.  Would you take them all to be evidence?  Humans are also very susceptible to hallucination

 

 

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There comes a point when explaining the mechanics of  2 + 2= 4, that it's utterly meaningless to go any further.

 

We're Well Beyond that point here.

 

So roll with what you got Jerry

 

Jerry has a point. It it may be evidence, but it isn't conclusive proof.

Jerry, I have a question for you. If you were miraculously given a vision of Jesus or some sort of miraculous encounter, would you believe? Or would you dismiss it as hallucination?

 

I see atheists mock the bible.  "Oh, the bible says this tribe existed, but there's no proof" and then a few years later archeology finds the evidence.

I know, right? Except nobody will admit that it's biblical evidence.

They're finding all these lost ancient cities that are technologically advanced or under oceans and stuff, and attributing it to "help from aliens" or something. They can't explain it, even though a flood would make sense. Much of these ruins are built using technology that we don't have today, that would be extremely difficult to replicate. How did they manage that thousands of years ago when they were supposed to be more 'primitive'. Answer: humans aren't getting smarter, they've just acquired more knowledge.

(If this sounds a bit conspiracy theory to you, I will admit my dad watches Ancient Aliens, and he loves to talk about it. lol. But these places still exist, apparently, and they still raise interesting questions.)

[jerryR34]

 

As someone pointed out, the ancients drew pictures of many fanciful things just like we still do.  Don't you think we should have some corroborating physical evidence, or do you put primitive art above modern science?

 

 

 

Oh, did you know that they still teach science to kids in school that has been disproven a long time ago?

 

your point?

 

Really?  You actually have PHYSICAL proof, not theories that scientists have, actual, physical proof of humans and dinosaurs living together and you just shrug your shoulders and say 'modern science' as if it's superior.  Modern science has no physical proof, just inaccurate tests based on wild assumptions.  People crown modern science as if it's almighty and my point being that kids today are taught theories that have already changed and changed again.  It's been ten years since I graduated high school and science has changed dramatically since then and continues to change. 

 

I see atheists mock the bible.  "Oh, the bible says this tribe existed, but there's no proof" and then a few years later archeology finds the evidence.  The more we uncover, the more I am certain that the God of the bible is real and the bible is historically accurate, including man living side-by-side with dinosaurs. 

 

If you have physical proof of something, why just deny it because it doesn't fit your theory?  It actually means that theory is wrong and it's time to go back to the drawing board, not stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I'm not listening!"

 

there is no physical proof of dinasaurs and humans living together.  The physical evidence is dinosaurs went extinct 60+million years before man evolved.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

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Jerry has a point. It it may be evidence, but it isn't conclusive proof.

 

Yes,...........if you grew up around Power Lines as a Child.   Define Conclusive Proof?

 

Tell you what, lets try simple logic and basic critical thinking skills.  Lets use a Courtroom Example....

 

 

You and Jerry are the Prosecution and I'm the Defense.  I start with:

 

 

"Your Honor-ship, These are The facts of the Case:

 

Dino's "purportedly" went extinct approx 80 Million Years ago......Long before Man "purportedly" existed.

 

I now present just 5 examples (See Architecture/Drawings/Pottery from previous post) from different Ancient Cultures around the Globe.  Your most worshipfulness......

 

 

There are only 3 possible conclusions that can be drawn based on the above evidence (I have Thousands more):

 

1.  Humans Lived with Dinos.

 

2.  Multiple Cultures Conjured these from their imaginations and constructed pottery, architectural designs, paintings/drawings @ various times and different Geographical Separated Locations that Miraculously just so happen to fit Modern Paleontology's exact descriptions of these Creatures. (Including Skin Color/Designs)

 

3.  ALL Ancient Cultures had Paleontologists that: dug up bones, reconstructed them to exacting details including appropriate flesh anatomy, skin color, and design.  Then made Pottery, Architectural Motifs and Drawings depicting them exactly then reburied the Bones."

 

4.  All said Ancient Cultures "Guessed".

 

"The Defense Rests."

 

"Prosecution WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER OR PROVIDE ALTERNATE EXPLANATION ?????  Also, Bear in Mind, I've had a Long Day....if your explanations don't follow simple logical and sound rational recourse;  You will be held in CONTEMPT then THROWN OUT ON YOUR NECK!!!!"

 

PROSECUTION.......... What say You?

[Sheniy]

I said it was evidence! lol What more do you want from me?

Want proof? In this day of extreme skepticism, you would probably have to find an actual live dinosaur (hopefully not a velociraptor. I've seen Jurassic Park. They be scary!).

And even then, some would say it was photoshopped.

Just saying.

[jerryR34]

 

Jerry, what do you mean when you say the bible chases after secular morality? Can you give me some examples?

Well, it took secular governments like England's and the US to abolish slavery. There was nothing in the bible to admonish us against slavery as practiced in the US (yes some slave holders were excessively cruel which the bible would admonish, but the institution was justified in the Book.)

[anthonyjmcgirr]

Jeez.  I keep having to repeat this over and over again.  Slavery in the bible is not the same kind of slavery we know about with African Americans.  Try to understand the culture and context when something is being said.  Don't just read the word "slavery" and automatically assume it means exactly what you think it means.  Slavery in the bible was a means of welfare for poor people.  They would sell themselves and/or their family to a rich family who would take care of them. I guess it would be no different than a rich man today having a butler.  In exchange for their work, they received a roof over their heads, food, clothing, etc.  It wasn't forced...it was willingly done.  And God created laws on how to treat your 'slaves' by not abusing them, sleeping with their wives, etc and they were automatically freed after seven years unless they agreed to return.  So it's not the same 'forced labor' you are thinking of.

 

Just like the word 'unicorn' is in the bible and atheists mock it and say, "look at that!  the bible talks about mythological creatures!" when a unicorn was a one-horned rhino...not a horse with a single horn. 

 

Please stop regurgitating things you read on atheist websites to help keep yourself disillusioned to the truth.

[anthonyjmcgirr]

Yes, if people don't want to believe in God, they will keep sticking their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen.  Jerry just totally shrugged off physical and historical proof with no effort whatsoever.  He simply will not even look at it.  He has his faith in almighty science that keeps changing and evolves more than nature itself does. 

 

We provided much more evidence that dinosaurs and man lived together than there is that they went extinct 65 million years ago.  What is that evidence?  Someone doing a carbon test and POOF?!  That's all there is.  And you chalk up all the legends and stories of men encountering dinosaurs (dragons) and the art, drawings, carvings, fossils in the same strata as human objects, fossils of human footprints and dino footprints in the same riverbed, soft tissue found in dinosaur bones (impossible to survive after 65 million years wouldn't you say?) and the ton of proof that they didn't die off that long ago. 

 

But it's all man's imagination.  They managed to imagine almost exactly what these animals looked like 65 million years before they even came onto the scene.  Did the aliens tell them?  That's what was discussed on one episode of Ancient Aliens.  They revealed a ton of proof of man and dinosaurs together and surmised the only way that's possible is if the aliens told them.  But I already know the answer:  the earth isn't as old as scientists say it is. 

[Enoch2021]

I said it was evidence! lol What more do you want from me?

Want proof? In this day of extreme skepticism, you would probably have to find an actual live dinosaur (hopefully not a velociraptor. I've seen Jurassic Park. They be scary!).

And even then, some would say it was photoshopped.

Just saying.

 

 

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You're trying somehow to create confusion with the terms 'Evidence" and Conclusive "Proof" as evidenced by this....

 

"it may be evidence, but it isn't conclusive proof."

 

Please define each....with this specific case?

 

Yours (and jerry's) "Conclusive Proof" (Whatever that is) is Non-Sequitur on Steroids because it happened in the past.  That's why GOD gave you a Mind and Intellect so you could achieve this.....

 

(1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

 

If you couldn't PROVE anything, why did GOD Command us to do it.

 

All This is child-like reasoning actually, IMHO.

[Enoch2021]

Jeez.  I keep having to repeat this over and over again.  Slavery in the bible is not the same kind of slavery we know about with African Americans.  Try to understand the culture and context when something is being said.  Don't just read the word "slavery" and automatically assume it means exactly what you think it means.  Slavery in the bible was a means of welfare for poor people.  They would sell themselves and/or their family to a rich family who would take care of them. I guess it would be no different than a rich man today having a butler.  In exchange for their work, they received a roof over their heads, food, clothing, etc.  It wasn't forced...it was willingly done.  And God created laws on how to treat your 'slaves' by not abusing them, sleeping with their wives, etc and they were automatically freed after seven years unless they agreed to return.  So it's not the same 'forced labor' you are thinking of.

 

Just like the word 'unicorn' is in the bible and atheists mock it and say, "look at that!  the bible talks about mythological creatures!" when a unicorn was a one-horned rhino...not a horse with a single horn. 

 

Please stop regurgitating things you read on atheist websites to help keep yourself disillusioned to the truth.

 

 

Go Anthony