nebula Posted April 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Out-of-state groups ride in to stand with Nevada rancher in battle with feds over grazing rights Published April 11, 2014 FoxNews.com Groups from as far away as New Hampshire are riding out to Nevada to join the cattle rancher whose standoff with the federal government is growing tenser by the day. The groups said they were going to the ranch, some 80 miles north of Las Vegas to stand with Cliven Bundy, who property is surrounded by federal agents. Bundy's herd, which once numbered nearly 1,000, is being thinned out by private contractors under the watch of dozens of armed federal agents in SUVs and helicopters, the government says, he has refused for two decades to pay fees to allow the cattle to graze on federal lands. “Our mission here is to protect the protestors and the American citizens from the violence that the federal government is dishing out,” Jim Landy, a member of the West Mountain Rangers, who made the journey from Montana to Nevada, told Fox News Channel. “People here are scared.” More here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldust59 Posted April 12, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 989 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 6 Joined: 01/08/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/13/1959 Share Posted April 12, 2014 This could get real nasty. Been keeping up with developments there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 It is just another example of an overreach by the federal government. I am glad to see people standing up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 The source of where this came from wasn't posted, and I couldn't seem to find it. But if what is written is true, it explains what is going on. If someone knows how to find the original source? ~~~ Why Clive Bundy isn't WRONG By : Kena Lytle Gloeckner There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 UPDATE: Deal reached; BLM will release confiscated cattle to rancher Posted: Apr 12, 2014 3:06 PM EST Updated: Apr 12, 2014 4:51 PM EST By Caroline Bleakley, Senior Online Editor LAS VEGAS -- A deal has been reached between Bundy family leaders and the BLM, but no without some very tense moments. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25231502/breaking-news-protesters-gather-on-i15-causing-traffic-delays-cliven-bundy-blm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 Ironically, even though this morning the BLM said they were standing down, there was still a showdown that lasted all day. It's unclear, but I think it was over the fact that the BLM was still holding the man's cattle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ U.S. agency ends Nevada cattle roundup, releases herd after stand-off By Jennifer Dobner BUNKERVILLE, Nevada Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:40pm EDT (Reuters) - U.S. officials ended a stand-off with hundreds of armed protesters in the Nevada desert on Saturday, calling off the government's roundup of cattle it said were illegally grazing on federal land and giving about 300 animals back to the rancher who owned them. Read here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,138 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted April 13, 2014 I think the major difference in this happening is that the local Sheriff was the person who was making things happen and not Federal Officials... Very few sheriffs are happy with our present Federal Law Enforcement people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2014 Let this be a lesson for a government that is totally out of control. They no longer recognize that they work for us. Our liberties were fought for by men who were willing to die for them, and this shows that our fight is not over.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldust59 Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 989 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 6 Joined: 01/08/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/13/1959 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I watched some of the happenings there yesterday at Alex Jones Ustream channel. I was glad to see the BLM officers leave, cause the citizens were not giving an inch. I am glad there was no further violence. I do not think this is over though. A 30 day no fly zone was enacted over the property and I havent been able to find out if it was canceled. There were also reports that Eric Holder has a pending deal with a Chinese company concerning part of this property & somehow the Walton Foundation(Walmart folks) was brought up too. I am concerned that when this dies down and supporters go home, the Feds will be back. Please keep this situation in prayer. And also the planned "American Spring" that is supposed to happen in May in DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldust59 Posted April 13, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 989 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 6 Joined: 01/08/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/13/1959 Share Posted April 13, 2014 just came across this article; Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014 Time: 1840 ET To: Steve Quayle From Doug Hagmann At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following: 1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.” 2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support; 3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch; 4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene. rest of article: http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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