the two witnesses?

[OneLight]

Why the two witnesses are the jews and gentiles that make up  the church of God 

 

 the two witnesses which ARE the two olive trees as two GROUPS of people

 

“And if some of the branches be broken off, and YOU, being a WILD OLIVE TREE, and were grafted in among them, and with them are partakers of the root and fatness of THE OLIVE TREE:

Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.

You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I may be grafted in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear:

For if God spared not the NATURAL BRANCHES, take heed that he spare not you.

Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of Godn which them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you CONTINUE in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.

For if it were cut out of the OLIVE TREE which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good OLIVE TREE; how much more shall these, which be the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

This rightfully describes how the gentiles are grafted into the true vine, which Jesus is the vine and the Father is the vine dresser. Paul, in parallel, speaks of the olive tree as Jesus spoke of the vine. To try and make Paul's description of salvation fit in to the two witnesses cannot be done without twisting the meaning of the context. The two witnesses are two individuals, not the church.

[OneLight]

The good olive tree are all God's people and they are the saved from the JEWs and GENTILE, are the wild olive tree 

 

 and together they  are called the ISRAEL OF GOD (Gal 6:16),

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off.

The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians;  also called spiritual israel.

 

jesse.

The TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus the Son of God, otherwise know as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE.

So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoke of in the book of Revelation.

We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God.

Take a look at Revelation 20:4 which says,“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.”

  

 

thanks

Again, this is false. It is clear that when we are grafted into the vine, there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek (Gentiles). Yet, your theory divided apart what Christ brought together as one.

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Why is your theory so important that you neglect what is written in scripture? Why is there a need to create a theory that the two witnesses have to be something but two individual people who are His witnesses?

[Guest Jesse]

 

 

 

The good olive tree are all God's people and they are the saved from the JEWs and GENTILE, are the wild olive tree 

 

 and together they  are called the ISRAEL OF GOD (Gal 6:16),

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off.

The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians;  also called spiritual israel.

 

jesse.

 

The TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus the Son of God, otherwise know as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE.

So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoke of in the book of Revelation.

We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God.

Take a look at Revelation 20:4 which says,“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.”

  

 

thanks

 

Again, this is false. It is clear that when we are grafted into the vine, there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek (Gentiles). Yet, your theory divided apart what Christ brought together as one.

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Why is your theory so important that you neglect what is written in scripture? Why is there a need to create a theory that the two witnesses have to be something but two individual people who are His witnesses?

 

Just faith.

 

Once the wild braches are grafted to the tree,and the natural branches also grafted back to the tree;

They will be one of the same tree.

 

jesse.

[Montana Marv]

Jesse

 

Your quote from above:  Once the wild braches are grafted to the tree,and the natural branches also grafted back to the tree;

They will be one of the same tree.

 

The natural branches (Israel) and the wild branches (all Gentiles) are grafted into the vine (Jesus Christ), the tree (Jesus Christ).  Being grafted into the vine does not make them the same, they are different, they have the same source for their life.  Two distinct groups grafted into one vine.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Guest Jesse]

Jesse

 

Your quote from above:  Once the wild braches are grafted to the tree,and the natural branches also grafted back to the tree;

They will be one of the same tree.

 

The natural branches (Israel) and the wild branches (all Gentiles) are grafted into the vine (Jesus Christ), the tree (Jesus Christ).  Being grafted into the vine does not make them the same, they are different, they have the same source for their life.  Two distinct groups grafted into one vine.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Montana.

 

First: Jesus is the branch,God is the tree.

 

Zechariah 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

 

We are speaking spiritual here;once grafted to the tree,all will be one and the same.

There will be no jews nor gentile.

 

jesse.

[Montana Marv]

Jesse

 

In The Body of Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, male or female.  Israel was pulled out of the vine because of unbelief.  But they will be re-grafted into the same vine once they see who they Crucified, when Christ returns at the Second Coming.  They will believe.  Much of what you are implying is nonsense and not supported by Scripture.  You quote some Scripture, but you use the wrong implications for that Scripture.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

[Guest Jesse]

Jesse

 

In The Body of Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, male or female.  Israel was pulled out of the vine because of unbelief.  But they will be re-grafted into the same vine once they see who they Crucified, when Christ returns at the Second Coming.  They will believe.  Much of what you are implying is nonsense and not supported by Scripture.  You quote some Scripture, but you use the wrong implications for that Scripture.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv 

Montana.

 

Can you then explain what will happen at the coming and after,by your scriptures.

Then I can see that I am full of nonsene.

 

jesse.

[justfaith]

 

 

I see Revelation 11 speaking of two individual people God chooses to be His last day prophets. I don't see them as two groups of people at all. This is clearly seen in verses speaking of their deaths. If they were groups, that wold mean millions of people. Sorry, but trying to apply groups to the two witnesses does not work.

Is the church one person or a group of people ? thanks

 

The church is the body of Christ, made up of many parts, but the church is not one of the two witnesses God sends, neither is Christ.

 

Is the 42 months also 3 1/2 years ?

[justfaith]

Jesse

 

Your quote from above:  Once the wild braches are grafted to the tree,and the natural branches also grafted back to the tree;

They will be one of the same tree.

 

The natural branches (Israel) and the wild branches (all Gentiles) are grafted into the vine (Jesus Christ), the tree (Jesus Christ).  Being grafted into the vine does not make them the same, they are different, they have the same source for their life.  Two distinct groups grafted into one vine.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Israel is compared to a vine ,olive tree and fig tree 

 

Jesus is the true vine but in romans 11 it speaes about the olive tree not a vine 

[justfaith]

 

 

 

 The good olive tree are all God's people and they are the saved from the JEWs and GENTILE, are the wild olive tree 

 

 and together they  are called the ISRAEL OF GOD (Gal 6:16), 

Yes I agree,but the olive tree is God the branches are the jews,but for now broken off.

The wild olive branches are grafted unto the tree = Christians;  also called spiritual israel.

 

jesse.

 

The TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus the Son of God, otherwise know as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE.

So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoke of in the book of Revelation.

We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God.

Take a look at Revelation 20:4 which says,“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.”

  

 

thanks 

 

Just faith.

 

Please explain why they(the two) are taken up. verse 11.12.

And then after, the 7th trumpet, which is the resurrection? verse 15.

 

 

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

DEAD BODIES?

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

GRAVES?

 

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

ALL OF THEM JEWS AND CHRISTIANS?

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

jesse.

 

 

I believe that the 2 witnesses are Israel  and the true Gentile believers in Christ. Throughout the Scriptures, in both the Old and New Testaments, the Bible teaches that Israel is the olive tree. The gentiles are the wild olive tree  Revelation teaches that the Church is the lampstand. The two olive trees are the Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ (see Romans 11). The 2 lampstands are the Jewish Church and the Gentile Church (see Revelation 1:20). The olive trees and lampstands are one and the same, representing the same thing – God’s anointed and chosen people. 

 

The two witnesses, who are two lampstands (churches) and two olive trees (Gentile and Jewish converts to Jesus) are the anointed ones who prophesy and pronounce God’s judgment upon the nations during the 42 months prior to their death. Rev 12:17 “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”