The Last Days great war in the Middle-East

[Sister]

Hi Salty

 

I will try and explain it a bit simpler.

 

I do not refute that Joel is speaking of the last days.  We know it will be a time of tribulation for all, but God is telling Israel in Joel that because the new wine (New covenant, Christ) is cut off from them, (they have no protection) they are going to go through pure affliction when those days come (Jacobs trouble)  The whole world will go through affliction as we know, but Joel is telling them, the Jews expecially, exactly what will happen in their land, Israel.

 

We know from the scriptures that this great terrible war will happen in Israel.

Many fail to realise that that Israel will be occupied by the false prophet and the 10 kings for 3 1/2 years. This will be the start of their punishment.  Their land taken over.

Then the kings of the east (The Medes) will come in to Israel to war the false prophet and his beast (10 kings).  This I have shown you with scripture that it takes place at the 6th trumpet/6th vial, and not before.

Those scriptures in Joel chapter 2 describes that army (Kings of the East) coming in with great fury to devour whatever is in front of them.  Revelation tells us that at the 6th trumpet a third of men are killed there in Israel during this time when the kings of the East attack.  So whilst this is happening, all the nations of the world gather there also to war.  They will be the allies of "the false prophet and his beast", and allies of "the Kings of the East." 2 massive sides.

But Christ intervenes and comes to stop that war, or no flesh will be saved.  This is when they stop fighting each other,  reasemble and gather now at Armageddon (Megido) to war the lamb,...all of those armies together as one now against the lamb.  This is still in the 6th trumpet/vial.  Two wars.  The 7th trumpet will be when the lamb fights back, and destroys all those armies in that one place.

 

All the trumpets happen in stages.  The war starts at the 6th trumpet, and not before.  The 5th trumpet clearly shows us that no one is killed, but those men who have not the seal of God are tormented.  They are not tormented by men, but by devils.  These are coming out of the "bottomless pit", and have nothing to do with war, but a personal attack.  They are called locusts but are not obviously because of their horrible description.  Their teeth of a lion, show us that they can hurt.  I know this is hard to imagine, such a thing happening, but God has planned this time for his revenge unto the world for all the evil committed.  God lets these evil spirits loose to torment, but they are not allowed to kill, only for 5 months, and after that, they will not be permitted.

 

The armies  in Rev 9 are described as horses with riders on them.  We don't use horses to war anymore, but tanks, jets etc. These horses (vehicles) have heads like lions, and not the rider, but the horse itself, and out of the horses mouth comes fire, smoke and brimstone.  This is what kills a third of men.  Rockets, bombs, bullets.

 

 

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⁴ The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

⁵ Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

 

Same symbols as the locusts in Rev.9, horsemen and horses, chariots, prepared for battle. But the battle is spiritual, not a literal army of tanks and planes and such.

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The battle here in Joel is physical.  They are destroying everything in their path.  The locusts in the 5th trumpet are not allowed to destroy the grass of the earth or anything green.  Can you see the difference?

 

I agree with what you said about a one world government and how they operate, and how it all fits in, I just don't agree that Joel is speaking of those locusts in the 5th trumpet, but speaking of the war that is to occur in Israel before the coming, Jacobs trouble (Jer 30:17), other than that I pretty much agree on how you see things, and it's good you are active in speaking about these things in a peaceful manner.

God bless

[Salty]

My words in GREEN -

 

Hi Salty

 

I will try and explain it a bit simpler.

 

I do not refute that Joel is speaking of the last days.  We know it will be a time of tribulation for all, but God is telling Israel in Joel that because the new wine (New covenant, Christ) is cut off from them, (they have no protection) they are going to go through pure affliction when those days come (Jacobs trouble)  The whole world will go through affliction as we know, but Joel is telling them, the Jews expecially, exactly what will happen in their land, Israel.

 

The Joel prophecy is not only about the Jews or Israel. On Pentecost when Peter quoted from Joel 2 in regards to the 'cloven' tongue, that was to all present on that day, and they were people's out of many nations, not just Jews only. The idea that those on Pentecost was only to Jews is a myth and goes against that written Scripture --

 

Acts 2:9-11

⁹ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

¹⁰ Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

¹¹ Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

 

Who all do those on Pentecost represent? Unbelievers? No. That's about Christ's Church there. The fact also that the 'cloven' tongue of Pentecost manifested later among Christ's Body per the NT Epistles is further proof what Peter quoted from Joel is not for unbelieving Israel.

 

 

We know from the scriptures that this great terrible war will happen in Israel.

Many fail to realise that that Israel will be occupied by the false prophet and the 10 kings for 3 1/2 years. This will be the start of their punishment.  Their land taken over.

 

You're missing the timing, because the Joel prophecy about the locusts is not about a war. It's about a subduing of God's people by those four locust types representing controls over the earth, with the height of it being the time of 'great tribulation'. During the tribulation time there is no war described in Scripture. Instead, it is described as a time of world peace, the "Peace and safety" Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thess.5. Per the Daniel prophecy about the Antichrist, he is to come to power peacefully, with flatteries, not war.

 

 

Then the kings of the east (The Medes) will come in to Israel to war the false prophet and his beast (10 kings).  This I have shown you with scripture that it takes place at the 6th trumpet/6th vial, and not before.

Those scriptures in Joel chapter 2 describes that army (Kings of the East) coming in with great fury to devour whatever is in front of them.  Revelation tells us that at the 6th trumpet a third of men are killed there in Israel during this time when the kings of the East attack.  So whilst this is happening, all the nations of the world gather there also to war.  They will be the allies of "the false prophet and his beast", and allies of "the Kings of the East." 2 massive sides.

 

The event of the kings of the east gathering to battle is a 6th Vial event, NOT a 6th Trumpet event. Compare --

 

SIXTH VIAL

 

Rev.16:12-14

¹² And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

¹³ And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

¹⁴ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

 

SIXTH TRUMPET-2ND WOE

 

Rev.9:13-16

¹³ And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

¹⁴ Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

¹⁵ And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

¹⁶ And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

 

In the later Rev.9 verses about that army we are told their power is in their mouths, not with literal weapons of a military. So how does one kill by what comes out of one's MOUTH?

 

¹⁸ By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

¹⁹ For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

 

Their POWER is in their mouth, and in their tails likened unto serpents. So what kind of attack or killing is that? A military attack with tanks, planes, ships, etc.? Of course not. God doesn't create monster locusts with teeth like lions, hair like women, faces of men, with breastplates of iron, riding upon horses; Hollywood are the ones who do that. And an attack with their tails as a scorpion, or a serpent, is not a literal military army description. This Rev.9 event of the locusts is NOT the battle of Armageddon event of Rev.16 on the 7th Vial. You've got the two Euphrates examples mixed up.

 

[Themessenger2014]

The second coming of gog and magog is after the thousand years for their is two parts to judgment day. First the dispised one that vile person must come in power and kill all of gods people. The nations he does not have power over, edom, moab and the chief prince children of ammon which is current day Jordan anti Christ will not have power over and I believe there will be the remnant.

After all the saints that are appointed to die in the 3 and half years is fulfilled then all nations mention in Ezekiel 38 and 39 will go up against Israel and the lord thy god will shake the earth and the whole city will be divided into 3 parts.

 

that man is here. and he is the leader of that vicious group called Islamic state

[Salty]

The second coming of gog and magog is after the thousand years for their is two parts to judgment day. First the dispised one that vile person must come in power and kill all of gods people. The nations he does not have power over, edom, moab and the chief prince children of ammon which is current day Jordan anti Christ will not have power over and I believe there will be the remnant.

After all the saints that are appointed to die in the 3 and half years is fulfilled then all nations mention in Ezekiel 38 and 39 will go up against Israel and the lord thy god will shake the earth and the whole city will be divided into 3 parts.

 

that man is here. and he is the leader of that vicious group called Islamic state

 

I don't believe the coming Antichrist is here on earth just yet, i.e., the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward. In Rev.17 our Lord Jesus showed the beast king (Antichrist) ascends up out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition. No Arab leader on earth today is in that bottomless pit, unless you believe that pit is right here on earth.

[Themessenger2014]

the book of revelations was written in a way where many cant understand for it is not appointed to them.

the beast with 7 heads and ten horns is a kingdom and when the anti-Christ comes in full power it will BE like an empire of old ottoman but vile

The anti Christ is here, but he is not in power yet. he is coming up strong. like it is written he will come up strong with a strong people. His group was small and he is on the rise.

The slaughter of the saints yea that great tribulation wont start until he wars with the south for the second time.

By then the ships of chittim will come against him. Chittiim is a city of old in the land of Cyprus.

Then after he will set his face against his holy people, And the saints shall fall by the sword by captivity by spoil for many days

The kings of the earth will agree and give their kingdom unto him(for they have one mind and shall give their strength unto the beast)

Many of the saints shall be killed for where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gather

when the apostle asked my lord where are they going them to whom the lord said one shall be taken the other left.

The lord said in mathew where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gathered. Behold the eagles gather to the dead, then he said in luke where ever the body is their the eagles will be gathered.

 

Them which are taken to them it is that will reign with Christ for they will be martyred, for who ever take the sign of the beast shall die and all who was not written in the lamb book of life shall take the mark of the  beast but they will save their life for a time but immediately after all the saints are killed then the earth shall quake and there will be a time of trouble since there never was a nation and every mountain will be thrown down.

There will be some that wont have the option to take the sign or not and to them it is that anti Christ will not have any power over and to them it is that the remnant that will full the earth for the next thousand years till satan is lose from his prison after the great judgment. As it is written in Daniel 11:41 He shall enter into the glorious land and many countries shall be over thrown: but these shall escape out of his hand edom moab and the chief of the children of ammon. all of which is located in a land called Jordan today.

 

At the time of the end the king of the north shall push at him and the king of the south shall come against him with many horsemen, chariots and ships as its written in Daniel 11 verse 40

and when you see the nations rising up against Israel, for the holy city will be trampled underfoot for 42 months. After all the nations will gather against the my holy city Then the lord shall shake the earth and the great city will split into 3 parts.

and all of them that died in the lord and all of whom that where purged by the sword to them shall be the kingdom and they shall reign with christ

but first, The Iraqi prime minister will fall. soon after the raiser of taxes is destroyed the abomination of desolation shall be in full power and they will make a treaty with him and he shall work deceitfully and he shall come up strong with a small people, he shall also sweep all before him with an arms of an overflowing flood, like isis is doing now as it is written in Daniel 11:22 the new living version of that verse says thus" before him great armies will be swept away, including a covenant prince and the king james 2000 version read this :with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken,yea also the prince of the covenant. The same how his group caused majority of the Iraqi army to fled and they that remain was broken before him. His group which started small crushed the whole army and none has been given the power to stop them thus far. and they shall not be stopped till the words of god is fulfilled.

 

who ever has ears to hear eyes to see and a heart of understanding let him understand

[OneLight]

the book of revelations was written in a way where many cant understand for it is not appointed to them.

the beast with 7 heads and ten horns is a kingdom and when the anti-Christ comes in full power it will BE like an empire of old ottoman but vile

The anti Christ is here, but he is not in power yet. he is coming up strong. like it is written he will come up strong with a strong people. His group was small and he is on the rise.

The slaughter of the saints yea that great tribulation wont start until he wars with the south for the second time.

By then the ships of chittim will come against him. Chittiim is a city of old in the land of Cyprus.

Then after he will set his face against his holy people, And the saints shall fall by the sword by captivity by spoil for many days

The kings of the earth will agree and give their kingdom unto him(for they have one mind and shall give their strength unto the beast)

Many of the saints shall be killed for where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gather

when the apostle asked my lord where are they going them to whom the lord said one shall be taken the other left.

The lord said in mathew where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gathered. Behold the eagles gather to the dead, then he said in luke where ever the body is their the eagles will be gathered.

 

Them which are taken to them it is that will reign with Christ for they will be martyred, for who ever take the sign of the beast shall die and all who was not written in the lamb book of life shall take the mark of the  beast but they will save their life for a time but immediately after all the saints are killed then the earth shall quake and there will be a time of trouble since there never was a nation and every mountain will be thrown down.

There will be some that wont have the option to take the sign or not and to them it is that anti Christ will not have any power over and to them it is that the remnant that will full the earth for the next thousand years till satan is lose from his prison after the great judgment. As it is written in Daniel 11:41 He shall enter into the glorious land and many countries shall be over thrown: but these shall escape out of his hand edom moab and the chief of the children of ammon. all of which is located in a land called Jordan today.

 

At the time of the end the king of the north shall push at him and the king of the south shall come against him with many horsemen, chariots and ships as its written in Daniel 11 verse 40

and when you see the nations rising up against Israel, for the holy city will be trampled underfoot for 42 months. After all the nations will gather against the my holy city Then the lord shall shake the earth and the great city will split into 3 parts.

and all of them that died in the lord and all of whom that where purged by the sword to them shall be the kingdom and they shall reign with christ

but first, The Iraqi prime minister will fall. soon after the raiser of taxes is destroyed the abomination of desolation shall be in full power and they will make a treaty with him and he shall work deceitfully and he shall come up strong with a small people, he shall also sweep all before him with an arms of an overflowing flood, like isis is doing now as it is written in Daniel 11:22 the new living version of that verse says thus" before him great armies will be swept away, including a covenant prince and the king james 2000 version read this :with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken,yea also the prince of the covenant. The same how his group caused majority of the Iraqi army to fled and they that remain was broken before him. His group which started small crushed the whole army and none has been given the power to stop them thus far. and they shall not be stopped till the words of god is fulfilled.

 

who ever has ears to hear eyes to see and a heart of understanding let him understand

All I can say about what you just posted is 1) it is one opinion of many, 2) very hard to follow with basically no scriptural references, 3) there are errors in your timeline, as well as assumption in the people, and 4) you should explain your stance without trying to sound like a prophet of old with old language.

You opening premise, that one has to be appointed he understanding of Revelation, is not scriptural. Statement like that usually mean that if you do not agree or understand what I am saying, you were not appointed by God to understand Revelation. A very cultist and demeaning statement, automatically placing yourself above others as a teacher, which is not allowed on this site.

You should really rewrite the above in a way that is backed up with scripture, broken into points, instead of all running together. I have seen elsewhere that you have written intelligently, so I know you do not naturally speak in this manner.

[Salty]

the book of revelations was written in a way where many cant understand for it is not appointed to them.

the beast with 7 heads and ten horns is a kingdom and when the anti-Christ comes in full power it will BE like an empire of old ottoman but vile

The anti Christ is here, but he is not in power yet. he is coming up strong. like it is written he will come up strong with a strong people. His group was small and he is on the rise.

The slaughter of the saints yea that great tribulation wont start until he wars with the south for the second time.

By then the ships of chittim will come against him. Chittiim is a city of old in the land of Cyprus.

Then after he will set his face against his holy people, And the saints shall fall by the sword by captivity by spoil for many days

The kings of the earth will agree and give their kingdom unto him(for they have one mind and shall give their strength unto the beast)

Many of the saints shall be killed for where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gather

when the apostle asked my lord where are they going them to whom the lord said one shall be taken the other left.

The lord said in mathew where ever the carcase is their shall the eagles be gathered. Behold the eagles gather to the dead, then he said in luke where ever the body is their the eagles will be gathered.

 

Them which are taken to them it is that will reign with Christ for they will be martyred, for who ever take the sign of the beast shall die and all who was not written in the lamb book of life shall take the mark of the  beast but they will save their life for a time but immediately after all the saints are killed then the earth shall quake and there will be a time of trouble since there never was a nation and every mountain will be thrown down.

There will be some that wont have the option to take the sign or not and to them it is that anti Christ will not have any power over and to them it is that the remnant that will full the earth for the next thousand years till satan is lose from his prison after the great judgment. As it is written in Daniel 11:41 He shall enter into the glorious land and many countries shall be over thrown: but these shall escape out of his hand edom moab and the chief of the children of ammon. all of which is located in a land called Jordan today.

 

At the time of the end the king of the north shall push at him and the king of the south shall come against him with many horsemen, chariots and ships as its written in Daniel 11 verse 40

and when you see the nations rising up against Israel, for the holy city will be trampled underfoot for 42 months. After all the nations will gather against the my holy city Then the lord shall shake the earth and the great city will split into 3 parts.

and all of them that died in the lord and all of whom that where purged by the sword to them shall be the kingdom and they shall reign with christ

but first, The Iraqi prime minister will fall. soon after the raiser of taxes is destroyed the abomination of desolation shall be in full power and they will make a treaty with him and he shall work deceitfully and he shall come up strong with a small people, he shall also sweep all before him with an arms of an overflowing flood, like isis is doing now as it is written in Daniel 11:22 the new living version of that verse says thus" before him great armies will be swept away, including a covenant prince and the king james 2000 version read this :with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken,yea also the prince of the covenant. The same how his group caused majority of the Iraqi army to fled and they that remain was broken before him. His group which started small crushed the whole army and none has been given the power to stop them thus far. and they shall not be stopped till the words of god is fulfilled.

 

who ever has ears to hear eyes to see and a heart of understanding let him understand

 

How can those first taken of Luke 17 be Christ's saints, when He shows they are dead carcases that go to wheresoever the eagles are gathered? That is not about a rapture of the saints, it is about a gathering of the spiritually dead to the Antichrist!

 

During the tribulation if you fall into the trap of believing the coming Antichrist is God, and go to him, that means one's soul becoming like a dead carcase, assigned with the wicked.

[Guest]

the book of revelations was written in a way where many can't understand for it is not appointed to them.

 

~

 

The Book Of Revelation Was Written

 

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

 

and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God,

 

and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Revelation 1:1-2

 

To Bless All Those Who Read It

 

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,

 

and keep those things which are written therein:

 

for the time is at hand. Revelation 1:3

 

And Obey

 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

 

I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

 

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.

 

And let him that heareth say, Come.

 

And let him that is athirst come.

 

And whosoever will,

 

let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

 

~

 

Let Him Who Hath Ears

 

Use Cotton Swaps

[Salty]

Our Lord Jesus directly connected the tribulation events of Matt.24 to the Luke 17 warning about the first one 'taken', when He repeated the idea of those being taken wheresoever the eagles are gathered, but with one difference. In the Matt.24:28 version He called those taken a dead "carcase".

 

So that's definitely not about a 'rapture' of His Church. It's about a gathering of the deceived to the Antichrist.

[Themessenger2014]

Our Lord Jesus directly connected the tribulation events of Matt.24 to the Luke 17 warning about the first one 'taken', when He repeated the idea of those being taken wheresoever the eagles are gathered, but with one difference. In the Matt.24:28 version He called those taken a dead "carcase".

 

So that's definitely not about a 'rapture' of His Church. It's about a gathering of the deceived to the Antichrist.

well lets look at what scripture says. for the bible interprets it self luke 17

 

 

³¹ In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

³² Remember Lot’s wife.

³³ Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

³⁴ I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

³⁵ Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

³⁶ Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

³⁷ And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

 

As thou readeth, when they asked the lord where after verse 36 he saidwheresoever the body is  there will the eagles be gathered together.

now when the lord said body in luke he wanted to make it clear what kind of body he is talking about as it is written in mathew where instead of using the word body he use carcase, saying that the saints that are going to be taken(rapture) are going to be killed. Now lets see if there is any scripture from different books that backs this saying which i say. For we all know the bible interprets it self

 

First lets look at mathew 24 

 

 

²⁷ For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

²⁸ For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

 

notice right after verse 28 he says immediately after the tribulation shall the sun be darken. could this mean after all the saints are killed then the great earth quake shall come? lets see if there is scripture backing this saying as well but first lets see if the saying that mathew luke is talking about the death of the saints is valid through the scriptures.

 

Lets look at isaiah 57 verse 1 and 2

 

¹ The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. ² He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

 

Why did the lord say that none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come? before that in the SAME SENTENCE HE SAYS the righteous perisheth and no man layeth it to heart? 

 

could the lord be taking about the death of the saints during the last day? For this is not speculation this is what god is saying so let see if there is more scripture to back this saying. for the lord gives understanding not man.

 

Lets look at daniel 7 

 

 

¹⁹ Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

²⁰ And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

²¹ I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

²² Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

now here is something very strange why did the lord say in daniel 7 ²¹ I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

²² Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

then in mathew 24 he said ²⁸ For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

how strange that that same little horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them until the ancient of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the most high and yet mathew is saying immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darken and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Could it be that the tribulation god is talking about is the time in which the saints are going to be slained and martyred by that little horn? as we see the scripture intreprets it self but i know many of you have hard hearts so lets see more scripture concerning the matter.

 

Daniel 11 

 

 

 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

³⁰ For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

³¹ And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

³² And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

³³ And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

³⁴ Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

³⁵ And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

³⁶ And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

³⁷ Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

³⁸ But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

³⁹ Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge 

 

now this is very strange, why did the lord say that those who understand amongst the people shall fall by the sword? and then he say, some of them of understanding shall fall to try them to purge them and to make them white even to the time of the end?

does not this match mathew 24 verse 28 and daniel 7 verse 21 and 22?

 

my point is the bible tells you it self, so lets see what revelations say concerning the matter. for there is evidence that the saints will be killed 

 

revelations chap 6

 

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

¹⁰ And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

 

why is it that after the 5th seal which is the saints being killed according to revelation chapter 6 verse 9 to 11 the very next seal the six seal is the great earthquake? then remember in mathew he said

 

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

as we see why is the lord making these saying very similar to one another its like he is saying the same thing just describe different parts of it. then before that in mathew 24 verse 8 he say

 

 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

then in daniel 11 he say

 

 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

³⁴ Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

³⁵ And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

then again in daniel 7 he say I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

²² Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

yet again in isaiah 57 he say The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. ² He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

 

but again in revelations 20

 

he say And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

but then in mathew 16 he say ²⁵ For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

then again in revelation he say

 

 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

¹⁶ And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

¹⁷ And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

¹⁸ Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

as we see according to the scriptures we can say for a fact THE SAINTS OF THE MOST shall be killed by The little horn or whom you call anti-christ. and when they asked the lord where are they going when the lord said two shall be taken and the other left. We can see that the lord is saying them that are to be taken are going to be slain.

 

Now if you say you believe this saying is not right then. As i proved you with many scriptures and not just one verse but paragraphs of verses do the same to me and i will read and converse with you