40 Days of Change.

[Guest brotherswmiller]

Go to this link and check out these two topics.Rick Warren is up to something and it aint all good.

Creating Community (Part 1): 40 Days of Change through Transformational Leadership

Creating Community (Part 2): 40 Days of Change through a New Way of Thinking

http://www.crossroad.to/index.html

This link goes to an interview article about Larry Kings interview with Rick Warren and various other articles on the purpose driven church.

http://www.crossroad.to/News/Church/purpose-driven.html

Edited January 3, 2005 by brotherswmiller

[Guest bobdamitch]

OF course this is man-made ism....

In the past the changes were/are accomplished through the work of the Mighty Holy Spirit....

We have been warned about those always studying but never coming to a knowledge of the truth....

"MY sheep hear MY voice....." Whose voice are these people hearing?

[tsth]

Yes, it most definitely is a new way of thinking. Ever heard of "Hegelian Dialectic"? This has the makings of it.

Here's one example, I've witnessed 2 in my time, personally, and they happened exactly like this:

The People's Church by Paul Proctor

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest O2BLikeU]

Go to this link and check out these two topics.Rick Warren is up to something and it aint all good.

The terribly sad thing is that Mr. Warren probably doesnt even know what he is doing .... as do not the thousands of pastors across this nation and worldwide who are teaching this and the thousands and thousands of people sitting in their churches embracing and absorbing this as though it were manna from heaven itself!

More saddness in the fact that most DO NOT WANT TO HEAR criticism of these "great" teachers! Much like the Word/Faith proponents who shout "DO NOT TOUCH GOD'S ANOINTED!" (though they are terribly misusing that passage) whenever one challenges the teachings of their gods (Hey! They themselves claim to be gods, so I use the term in that sense), their leaders ... Copeland, Hagin, Hinn, Parsley, Meyers ... and many many more!

What do we do? Pull out of those churches or stand up and shout?

[Guest shiloh357]

The terribly sad thing is that Mr. Warren probably doesnt even know what he is doing .... as do not the thousands of pastors across this nation and worldwide who are teaching this and the thousands and thousands of people sitting in their churches embracing and absorbing this as though it were manna from heaven itself!

1. It would seem that the accusation is tha Warren does know what he is doing and is intentionlly leading people astray. The fact that so-called references to the "new age" are subtly planted in his books would be an indication of a genuine attmept at deception.

2. As for people sucking this stuff up... not really. Even the people who get involved with the Purpose Driven Life stuff have very little sticking power. Most of the people I know who read the book have forgotten what they read, and their lives are no different now than before. I doubt they would have picked up on any "New Age" nonsense.

This is sooooo 2004. It is just a fad, and pretty soon people will be on to next latest craze, and Warren's book will be forgotten and collecting dust on their shelves. None of my friends got all "New Age" after reading his stuff. Most of them didn't even get half way through the "40 days" until they were distracted by family commitments and other things. Nobody takes this stuff seriously.

Much ado about nothing.

[tsth]

I wish it were a flash in the pan, but I've seen how great the damage is. It is not a small thing. If I had not witnessed the results myself, I would not have believed it either, but I have and it was almost identical to the article I posted by Paul Proctor. I would encourage you to read it, so that you would be able to spot the beginnings of these things. I have seen them, it brings a terrible spirit of falsehood over the church.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[apothanein kerdos]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that offended me at first...but now kind of makes sense.

"Christians: The proverbial Chicken Littles for over 2,000 years"

Anytime there is a hint of false doctrine, we cut that person off and declare them a child of Satan. Could it just be that Rick Warren honestly believed that he could help people and that it is just a fad?

[Guest shiloh357]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that offended me at first...but now kind of makes sense.

"Christians: The proverbial Chicken Littles for over 2,000 years"

Anytime there is a hint of false doctrine, we cut that person off and declare them a child of Satan. Could it just be that Rick Warren honestly believed that he could help people and that it is just a fad?

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That's kind of how I see it. I cannot speak to every person and every experience; I can only speak to what I see around here.

Our church went through the 40 days, and it pretty much fizzled out. It was reported that of the those who started it, only about 20% made it past the half way mark, and even fewer finished it.

Everything continues as it had before. Our pastor did not change his format or anything. In fact, if he did, many of the older members who are also the biggest tithers would hold back their giving in protest (it has happened before). Our church is too far in debt for the pastor to rock the boat, LOL!

My parents went through some of the 40 days, but now they are back to being CNN junkies, and watching their favorite dramas and sitcoms. It is going to take a lot more than Rick Warren's books to send most church members into the New Age, or other false doctrine.

[tsth]

Dear Leonard,

I'm not sure I understood your post on the other thread or not? But, did you see this thread? This is the one I was speaking of, and the link above on my previous post? Could you read it?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Here's another article on these things that I totally agree with.

The Adulation of Man in the Purpose Driven Life

We need to remember that in the last days there will be great deceptions "within" the church itself, and false teachers will rise up among us.

In His Love,

Suzanne