CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Lets make this simple. Did God give unto Adam "Authority" over all the earth, and all the works of his hands? Is Satan and all fallen angels created by the hands of God? Yes The Bible says yes, so why are you disagreeing with God? To what purpose are you doing this? You keep asking that same question and I keep answering it..... no, Angels are not of this earth (world/universe) Angels are/were part of the heavenly realm, not ours. Adam had authority over things of this world, not everything God ever created. God created heaven and the throne and the other things in his realm also...... do you really think Adam had authority over heaven..... Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 30, 2014 ya just gotta wonder sometimes...... The biblical way for the commanding of angels is found in several places. It is this: the people of God pray; the Lord hears their prayer; the Lord sends His angel or angels to do a work. Believers on earth do not have control over the angels. That is a myth made up by those who want to claim some great power over the spirit world that they do not have. Here are some examples: It is absolute deception to believe people command the armies of heaven Here is a good Bible based explanation Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! I know this is addressed to Enoob, but this is a public forum so ... When was the last time you commanded an angel Curtis? Have you EVER done that? Cause if you haven't, why not? Man, if I thought I could command angels, I'd get right at it!!!! So...when did you last tell Micheal what to do? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Curtis, are you aware that angels are not part of creation..... they were already here singing along and shouting as God created the universe... Are "angels" created beings? Are they not a part of the works of God's hands? Did they not rebel against God and were cast down to this earth? Did not Adam have "authority" and "dominion" over all the earth, and over all the works of God's hands? Yes! Nowhere in the Bible did any human being other than Jesus ever exercised authority over angels. So to say that man has authority over angels is going outside of Scripture. Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. What a weak response. Jesus gave temporary authority over demons to His disciples. That does not support your actual argument that mankind has authority over the angelic realm. Sorry but you have pretty much shown that you cannot support your original argument. Man had NO authority over angels and never has. Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. This was given to 72 followers of Jesus. Jesus never took back this power from them. Does Christ have "authority" over angels? If he does, then we also have the same authority because he lives in us as our new life!!!!! It is no longer "I" that liveth but Christ!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 ya just gotta wonder sometimes...... The biblical way for the commanding of angels is found in several places. It is this: the people of God pray; the Lord hears their prayer; the Lord sends His angel or angels to do a work. Believers on earth do not have control over the angels. That is a myth made up by those who want to claim some great power over the spirit world that they do not have. Here are some examples: It is absolute deception to believe people command the armies of heaven Here is a good Bible based explanation Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! I know this is addressed to Enoob, but this is a public forum so ... When was the last time you commanded an angel curtis? Have you EVER done that? Cause if you haven't, why not? Man, if I thought I could command angels, I'd get right at it!!!! So...when did you last tell Micheal what to do? Huh? Do angels obey Christ? Where does Christ live? Who is the life of the born again believer? It is no longer "I" that liveth but Christ liveth in me!!! Does Jesus Christ have all power and all authority in Heaven and earth? If he does then so do we since he is our head, and we are his body!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? One can not possibly judge angels unless you first have "authority" over them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Curtis, how many people have now pointed out to you that you are mistaken in your assertion that Adam had dominion over angels? Are you willing to learn from a host of seasoned believers? Fez, bring scripture proof. Show me through the Word of God that Adam did not have authority over all things here on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Hi ayin jade, Just popped In on your conversation to say that angels were created - `On the day that you were created....` (Ez. 28: 13) (referring to Lucifer) They were in the third heaven (1 Cor. 12 : 2) & were created before the universe - which consists of the Celestial (planets, stars etc) & atmospheric (clouds, birds etc) heavens. (Gen. 1: 14 - 18) When Lucifer was cast out of the thronal area (3rd heaven) then he took resident in the `principalities & powers` realm (Col. 1 16). He is known as the `Prince of the power of the air.` (Eph. 2: 2) This is an authority area that is invisible, & will soon be cleansed when Satan (Lucifer) is cast to the earth, limiting his power greatly. (Rev. 12: 9) Im well aware that angels are created. My question was in what way do creatures of heaven fall under dominion over the earthly creatures mentioned in the bible verses I posted. Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Did not Jesus give to us "authority" over ALL the power of the enemy? Or was he mistaken, that there is no authority that he could give us? If the Church today does not have this authority, then we are at the mercy of the devil and all evil spirits.(fallen angels) Edited August 30, 2014 by CurtisCWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 30, 2014 Quote Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! I know this is addressed to Enoob, but this is a public forum so ... When was the last time you commanded an angel curtis? Have you EVER done that? Cause if you haven't, why not? Man, if I thought I could command angels, I'd get right at it!!!! So...when did you last tell Micheal what to do? Huh? Do angels obey Christ? Where does Christ live? Who is the life of the born again believer? It is no longer "I" that liveth but Christ liveth in me!!! Does Jesus Christ have all power and all authority in Heaven and earth? If he does then so do we since he is our head, and we are his body!!!! That, my friend, is one big huge COPOUT. LOL! Nicely diverted and quite nonsensical. wonder what happen to Adam and Eve in the garden......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Quote Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! I know this is addressed to Enoob, but this is a public forum so ... When was the last time you commanded an angel curtis? Have you EVER done that? Cause if you haven't, why not? Man, if I thought I could command angels, I'd get right at it!!!! So...when did you last tell Micheal what to do? Huh? Do angels obey Christ? Where does Christ live? Who is the life of the born again believer? It is no longer "I" that liveth but Christ liveth in me!!! Does Jesus Christ have all power and all authority in Heaven and earth? If he does then so do we since he is our head, and we are his body!!!! That, my friend, is one big huge COPOUT. LOL! Nicely diverted and quite nonsensical. wonder what happen to Adam and Eve in the garden......... Do not say that is a "cop out" Bring forth scripture to prove your point. Opinions are not truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisCWilson Posted August 30, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/07/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/21/1952 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 ya just gotta wonder sometimes...... The biblical way for the commanding of angels is found in several places. It is this: the people of God pray; the Lord hears their prayer; the Lord sends His angel or angels to do a work. Believers on earth do not have control over the angels. That is a myth made up by those who want to claim some great power over the spirit world that they do not have. Here are some examples: It is absolute deception to believe people command the armies of heaven Here is a good Bible based explanation Why are you bringing up Heaven? We are talking about things on this earth. Were are all the angels that rebelled against God? They are not in Heaven, but here on earth. Adam had "authority" over every thing here on earth! I know this is addressed to Enoob, but this is a public forum so ... When was the last time you commanded an angel Curtis? Have you EVER done that? Cause if you haven't, why not? Man, if I thought I could command angels, I'd get right at it!!!! So...when did you last tell Micheal what to do? Huh? Is Satan an angel? Have you ever commanded the devil to leave you, or your family, or any body? How about evil spirits, ever resist them and command them in any way? If not you might want to do an indepth study on "authority" that Jesus gave unto his Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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