gerhard eber Posted August 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Da Puppers said: So, the daytime portion of the 14th was the time in which the Passover was killed, but it was not the same day in which the feast of unleavened bread began: Yes! but in EXODUS the only recording of the historical event in pagan Egypt where days were sunrise days and the feast of unleavened bread was first time BEGUN; not in the references from times after and the passover had been institutionalised, when the feast was continued to "ordinance". Even although in Exodus already, characteristics of the ordinance or institution can be seen, which is understandable because Exodus was written long after the exodus and first passover had happened. Edited August 11, 2018 by gerhard eber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted August 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, Da Puppers said: Deuteronomy 16 goes on to correlate the 7th day of eating unleavened bread as being the same day in which a solemn assembly, or [Leviticus] holy convocation/ gathering. The backdrop for Leviticus is "they are to be perpetually kept through out your generations, WHEREVER you may dwell. The backdrop for Numbers is the wilderness wanderings. And the backdrop for Deuteronomy is "in the [particular] place where I [the Lord] have placed my name. And Exodus is the reckoning of the actual events for which the feasts are remembered "in memorial". Yes! (Be careful in Deuteronomy that the "feast of tabernacles" is not misunderstood for the 'feast of ulb' or for "the seven weeks thou shalt number unto thee".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted August 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Da Puppers said: When you spoke of the 3 days of darkness, was that in reference to being part of the FUB, one of the plagues that preceded the death the firstborn, or maybe to the crucifixion of Jesus? The last two of the ten plagues were simultaneous; they were the "three days thick darkness" and the death of the firstborn, from Exodus 10:21, through 12:30, until 15:19. The three days are CLEARLY discernible... as day one in Egypt, the day the passover was killed, from 10:21, through 11:4 and through both 12:6 and 8, until 12:31-38 after the ninth plague and the death of the firstborn at midnight; as day two in Egypt, the day Israel journeyed from Rameses from at midnight in 12:37 through the (following) "night" in 12:41-51, "to be (ordained later on, to be) much observed for bringing them out". (Note the Continuous Present Tense as if "this is that night" the middle part of "the selfsame day" in 12:8 and 17 when Israel "ate the flesh with ulb" and on its morning after, started to go out of Egypt), until where Israel wished that they had stayed in Egypt and thought that they would die in the wilderness before the Red Sea in 14:10-12; as day three out of Egypt, through and up from the Red Sea onto the land of freedom and Promise in 14:13 to 15:22. "For the LORD hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know if we follow on to know THE LORD : HIS GOING FORTH IS PREPARED!" Edited August 11, 2018 by gerhard eber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hales Posted August 11, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 406 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2018 3 hours ago, gerhard eber said: Just show me your text saying ‘~Jesus was crucified on a Friday.~’ If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted August 11, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,602 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,449 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Alan Hales said: If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday. Shabbat shalom, again, Alan Hales. Sure you can: Thursday day, 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 pm = Day 1 Thursday/Friday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 1 Friday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 2 Friday/Saturday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 2 Saturday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 3 Saturday/Sunday night, 6:00 p.m. = 6:00 a.m. = Night 3 Yeshua` rose on that third night - the FIRST night of the new week, by Hebrew reckoning! By Hebrew reckoning, the night PRIOR to the daytime of Sunday is Sunday's night! Furthermore, a "day" (whether the Hebrew "yowm" or the Greek "heemera") can either refer to the 12-hour time of light on a daily cycle or can refer to the 24-hour daily cycle itself. As I've said before, when days are compared to nights, then the days are the 12-hour kind of "day." If the days are counted and compared to each other in a week, then the days are the 24-hour kind of "day." Also, there are some PHRASES that must be considered: "Today is the third day SINCE these things were done." Luke 24:21 (KJV) 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. What's more, you can get Yeshua`s words "three days and three nights" from it as well AND in the same order as He presented it! Thus, Yeshua` died on Thursday afternoon at approximately 3:00 p.m. and rose again any time between 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. on Saturday/Sunday night and was gone already when the women came to His tomb to anoint His body "early in the morning." The earthquake merely marked the time when the messenger rolled the stone away from the tomb, but He was ALREADY RISEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Alan Hales said: If you go through the last week, From Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, in Mark's gospel. You'll see that Jesus was stil alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, Up until 3PM. What other day could it have been??. You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday, Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day. Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday. Dear Alan Hales. WHILE you say '~You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday~', you proceed and PRESENT: '~Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day.~' So how can you conclude, '~Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday~'???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Retrobyter said: Sure you can: Thursday day, 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 pm = Day 1 Thursday/Friday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 1 Friday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 2 Friday/Saturday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 2 Saturday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 3 Saturday/Sunday night, 6:00 p.m. = 6:00 a.m. = Night 3 Yeshua` rose on that third night - the FIRST night of the new week, by Hebrew reckoning! By Hebrew reckoning, the night PRIOR to the daytime of Sunday is Sunday's night! Ah, yes, your way it's possible. But your way differs with the Bible way. In more than one respect, First, your way rips the three days apart into two halves of consecutive days. Then if one counted all the parts they represent Thursday day the Fifth Day, last part 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 pm = Day 1 Correct But where is the night of the Fifth Day? Thursday/Friday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 1 This is "At the First Night" of unleavened bread feast, night 2, not Night 1. Friday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 2 Correct But that's not the day Jesus was crucified; this is the day He was buried, so, Wrong! Friday/Saturday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 2 Wrong This is "the third day's" first halve, night 3, not Night 2. Saturday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 3 Correct "But late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon before the First Day the angel..." Saturday/Sunday night, 6:00 p.m. = 6:00 a.m. = Night 3 Wrong Saturday/Sunday night began Mark 16:1 John 19:1 Jesus rose "THE THIRD DAY as He said while He lived" Matthew 27:63,64 - the FIRST night of the new week, by Hebrew reckoning! Wrong "the Sabbath Day in the very daylight before the First Day" by Christian Scripture. By Hebrew reckoning, the night PRIOR to the daytime of Sunday is Sunday's night! Yes, the very principle you should have applied in the first place to '~Day 1~'. And so you got 4 days instead of three... Edited August 12, 2018 by gerhard eber change colour of selected words to red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 In Matthew 27:63,64 one sees the LIARS shoot themselves in the foot. No sooner have they TWISTED Jesus' words of once before in verse 63, than they tumbled heels over head over the Truth of Jesus' words quite often spoken before, in verse 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hales Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 406 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Retrobyter said: Shabbat shalom, again, Alan Hales. Sure you can: Thursday day, 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 pm = Day 1 Thursday/Friday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 1 Friday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 2 Friday/Saturday night, 6:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. = Night 2 Saturday day, 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = Day 3 Saturday/Sunday night, 6:00 p.m. = 6:00 a.m. = Night 3 Yeshua` rose on that third night - the FIRST night of the new week, by Hebrew reckoning! By Hebrew reckoning, the night PRIOR to the daytime of Sunday is Sunday's night! Furthermore, a "day" (whether the Hebrew "yowm" or the Greek "heemera") can either refer to the 12-hour time of light on a daily cycle or can refer to the 24-hour daily cycle itself. As I've said before, when days are compared to nights, then the days are the 12-hour kind of "day." If the days are counted and compared to each other in a week, then the days are the 24-hour kind of "day." Also, there are some PHRASES that must be considered: "Today is the third day SINCE these things were done." Luke 24:21 (KJV) 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. What's more, you can get Yeshua`s words "three days and three nights" from it as well AND in the same order as He presented it! Thus, Yeshua` died on Thursday afternoon at approximately 3:00 p.m. and rose again any time between 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. on Saturday/Sunday night and was gone already when the women came to His tomb to anoint His body "early in the morning." The earthquake merely marked the time when the messenger rolled the stone away from the tomb, but He was ALREADY RISEN! You keep going on about those 3 days and 3 nights, That's because you take ONE out of context scripture to build your false belief on. And you REJECT The [At least SEVENTEEN] scriptures that say Jesus rose on the "THIRD DAY". You CANNOT get the "Third day" from Wednesday or Thursday, To Sunday. If you read Mark's gospel, You'll see that he records what Jesus did from Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday, And Jesus was still alive on Thursday, He was still alive on Friday, up until 3Pm. Jesus rose early on Sunday. Thurs to Fri, 1 Day, Fri to Sat, 2 days. Sat to Sun 3 days, Yet Jesus rose early on Sunday, Not in the afternoon. Fri to Sat 1 night. Sat to Sun 2 nights. Sun to Mon 3 nights. Jesus didn't rise on a Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hales Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 406 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, gerhard eber said: Dear Alan Hales. WHILE you say '~You can't get "The Third day" from Thursday~', you proceed and PRESENT: '~Thursday, ONE day, Friday, TWO days, Saturday, The Third day.~' So how can you conclude, '~Jesus didn't rise on a Saturday~'???? Mk 16: 9 says Jesus rose on the First day of the week, Which is a Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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