Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

[Retrobyter]

20 hours ago, ShinyGospelShoes said:

Hello Retrobyter,

If I may interject for a brief moment?

I do not believe I read in Alan Hales response (which you recently cited), where Alan stated that Jesus arose on 'the first [day] of the week' during or even after sunrise.

Did Alan Hales say that Jesus was resurrected 'during' or 'after' sunrise on 'the first [day] of the week'?  I did not see it, but perhaps you could point me to where this was said, so I do not step into the wrong place here.

As far as scripture defines a 'day', it begins with the 'evening' (dark portion) followed by 'morning' (sunrise and light portion), as per Genesis 1:5, John 11:9; Psalms 104:22-23, etc.  Therefore, in the very verse you cited, Mark 16:1-11, Jesus arose after "the sabbath was past" and thus on "the first [day] of the week", before sunrise, in the still dark portion (John 20:1), before the sun was fully up (visible), though it was eventually dawning (lightening; Matthew 28:1; Luke 24:1) as the women travelled to the tomb from their separate homes.  A specific time is not given as to an exact when on "the first [day] of the week", except that it was sometime before sunrise while yet dark out, though I have an idea based upon the pattern in scripture, but do not desire to get into it here, since I am simply looking for a clarification from you about what you have seen in Alan Hales response.

Shalom, ShinyGospelShoes.

Way back in Alan's first post in this thread on page 12, he started with...

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Jesus was crucified on a Friday. Those who say Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday or Thursday, Take ONE out of context scripture, and reject the [At least seventeen] scriptures that says Jesus rose on the third day, You cannot get the "Third day", from Wednesday or Thursday, to a Sunday.

The mere timing suggests that Sunday, the "third day," must also therefore be counted - Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Now, unless He means the Sunday BEFORE sunrise, that would be Sunday "during or after sunrise."

If he IS referring to the Sunday BEFORE sunrise, then we are only talking about Yeshua` being buried shortly before sundown on Friday to Sunday before sunrise, a MAXIMUM of 36 hours AT sunrise! It's all a matter of mathematics. Is that enough time for one to be convinced that Yeshua` did indeed die, if one is an unbeliever? Understand? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, extending the time to the max!

[gerhard eber]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, ShinyGospelShoes.

Way back in Alan's first post in this thread on page 12, he started with...

The mere timing suggests that Sunday, the "third day," must also therefore be counted - Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Now, unless He means the Sunday BEFORE sunrise, that would be Sunday "during or after sunrise."

If he IS referring to the Sunday BEFORE sunrise, then we are only talking about Yeshua` being buried shortly before sundown on Friday to Sunday before sunrise, a MAXIMUM of 36 hours AT sunrise! It's all a matter of mathematics. Is that enough time for one to be convinced that Yeshua` did indeed die, if one is an unbeliever? Understand? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, extending the time to the max!

You, ask, '~Understand~' ?! Help us, o God!

[gerhard eber]

"IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week"

[gerhard eber]

8 hours ago, ShinyGospelShoes said:

Alan Hales is correct in that statement.  Again, please refrain from such harsh terms.

Jesus was still alive on 'the fifth [day] of the week' (*) call 'Thursday', and so likewise for the following day, the 'sixth [day] of the week'(*) call 'Friday', until about 3pm (the 'going down' or 'declination' of the sun; at the time of the evening sacrifice), which is when Jesus died, having been crucified at the time of morning sacrifice, and thus was for 6 hours there until death.

Mark 15:42, demonstrates the 'preparation' day (Exodus 16:5, etc), the 'day before the sabbath', which is the sixth day of the week, aka 'friday'.  It was in that very same day that the women purchased what they need in 'spices', as Joseph of Arimathaea had done for 'linen'; Mark 15:46.

Matthew 27:57 is the parallel to Mark 15:42, and it's time frame, speaking of the day of 'preparation', and afterwards was the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, for notice, Matthew 27:62, "the next day, that followed the day of the preparation".

John 13:1, is dealing with 'thursday night', which is actually the 6th day of the week in Bible time, and is the 'evening' portion thereof.  Jesus was taken sometime around midnight, the hour of the power of darkness, see John 18:1-11; Luke 22:53.  Jesus was in captivity all night until the crowing of the rooster, and taken to Pilate, John 18:27-29, this being early 'friday' morning, still the sixth day of the week.  After many events that same day, Jesus is taken and crucified, John 19:16-30.  Jesus dies that very day.  Jesus is buried that very day.  Jesus remains in the tomb all the 7th day the sabbath, resting, from His "finished" work on the 6th day, just as God rested at Creation, being "finished" the 6th day also, entering into His rest, the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD; Genesis 2:1-3.  Then following that, Jesus arose sometime before sunrise, on the first day of the week, aka 'Sunday', John 20:1, etc.

Luke 23:50 is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57, and Mark 15:42 and their contexts.  It is the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation' to the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, in His commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, for notice, Luke 23:54-56.

Luke 23:53  And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

Luke 23:54  And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Luke 23:55  And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

Luke 23:56  And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

(* which we basically call, though not technically, one is Bible time (even to even) and the other Roman (midnight to midnight))

Quote Mark 15:42 // Matthew 27:57, '~Jesus was still alive on ... for the following day, the 'sixth [day] of the week'(*) call 'Friday', until about 3pm (the 'going down' or 'declination' of the sun; at the time of the evening sacrifice), which is when Jesus died, having been crucified at the time of morning sacrifice, and thus was for 6 hours there until death.~' 

QUOTE IT!

OR RUN!

 

[gerhard eber]

9 hours ago, ShinyGospelShoes said:

Luke 23:50 is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57, and Mark 15:42 and their contexts.  It is the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation' to the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, in His commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, for notice, Luke 23:54-56.

Luke 23:50 and context Luke 23:51-53A is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57 and context Matthew 27:58-61 and Mark 15:42 and context Mark 15:43-47. 

But Luke 23:54-56A is NOT the same timeframe.

Why not?

Thursday having ENDED Friday having STARTED: 

Because Luke 23:50 and context Luke 23:51-53A is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57 and context Matthew 27:58-61 and Mark 15:42 and context Mark 15:43-47 '~the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation'~' BEGINNING: "EVENING* HAVING COME", while Luke 23:54-56A '~is the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation'~' ENDING: "BEING MID-AFTERNOON** the Sabbath" '~the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, in His commandment, Exodus 20:8-11~', "NEARING". Friday ending the Sabbath nearing!

EVENING* from 'heh opsia'

MID-AFTERNOON** from 'epephohsken'

Edited August 14, 2018 by gerhard eber

[Alan Hales]

11 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

As I said to Allen Hales, it is the Scripture indications that matter. Surely you don't need to know Afrikaans to follow the Scripture references?

Which in any case are arranged STRICTLY to the textual sequence in the Gospels PUT TOGETHER WHERE TOGETHER. But read the KJV and / or Marshall. It is impossible to go wrong or jump from Scriptures of long before the Last Week to Scriptures concerning the Last Week ... like you do...

Read 'The Heart of the Gospel' in my Afrikaans translation over the Greek over the KJV (in a few - ,01% places, not exactly, but 100% in essence, the KJV exactly!).

Read an old edition here, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Die Hart van die Evangelie - Die Laaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf

Read EVERY relevant Scripture in the last chapters of the four Gospels, in textual sequence put together in chronological and logical, historical order, word for word, verse by verse, context to context, using the King James Version interlinear with the Greek, and every shadow of doubt about Christ's perfect fulfilment of the Passover of Yahweh's "three days thick darkness" is dispelled sola Scriptura as per the Article of the Christian Confession of Faith, I believe in Christ, who was crucified, who died and was buried, and who “ROSE from the dead according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY”!

Read it HERE, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Die%20Hart%20van%20die%20Evangelie%20-%20Die%20Laaste%20Lyding%20en%20Triomf%20van%20Jesus%20Christus.pdf

 

The Biblical fact is, Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and rose on a Sunday. FACTS.

[Alan Hales]

2 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Luke 23:50 and context Luke 23:51-53A is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57 and context Matthew 27:58-61 and Mark 15:42 and context Mark 15:43-47. 

But Luke 23:54-56A is NOT the same timeframe.

Why not?

Thursday having ENDED Friday having STARTED: 

Because Luke 23:50 and context Luke 23:51-53A is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57 and context Matthew 27:58-61 and Mark 15:42 and context Mark 15:43-47 '~the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation'~' BEGINNING: "EVENING* HAVING COME", while Luke 23:54-56A '~is the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation'~' ENDING: "BEING MID-AFTERNOON** the Sabbath" '~the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, in His commandment, Exodus 20:8-11~', "NEARING". Friday ending the Sabbath nearing!

EVENING* from 'heh opsia'

MID-AFTERNOON** from 'epephohsken'

The Bible proves that Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and rose on a Sunday. FACT.

[Alan Hales]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Alan Hales.

Just keep telling yourself that. You CAN get "the third day" from Thursday afternoon to Sunday night and I've demonstrated how that could be. It's simply that you don't WANT to admit it. That's all.

As far as Mark 16:9 is concerned, the word "day" is not there; it may refer to "night" or to a "24-hour period!" Because it refers to a "week" as the "Shabbat cycle," "sabbaton," it's more likely referring to the "24-hour period," which INCLUDES the "12-hour night portion," when Yeshua` rose.

So whatever way, YOU WISH I was wrong. Anyway, I'm done arguing about it, have fun with gerhard eber.

If you knew and believed the Bible, You would know that Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and was alive early on Sunday. Friday to Sunday, it the only way you can get the, "Third day". Friday, 1 day, Saturday, 2 days, Sunday, The Third day. Those who believe Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday or Thursday, Must believe that Jesus rose either on a Friday or a Saturday, And none of those are true.

[gerhard eber]

9 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

The Biblical fact is, Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and rose on a Sunday. FACTS.

The Allen Hales fad.

[gerhard eber]

9 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

If you knew and believed the Bible, You would know that Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and was alive early on Sunday. Friday to Sunday, it the only way you can get the, "Third day". Friday, 1 day, Saturday, 2 days, Sunday, The Third day. Those who believe Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday or Thursday, Must believe that Jesus rose either on a Friday or a Saturday, And none of those are true.

3 p.m. Day 1 died "at the ninth hour" Mark 14:34(-41) Matthew 27:46(-56) Luke 23:44B(-49) John 19:30; 

3 p.m. Day 2 buried "by the time the Jews' preparations began" John 19:42 "mid-afternoon" Luke 23:54;

3 p.m. Day 3 rose from the dead "IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week" Matthew 28:1(-4)