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[Guest shiloh357]

1. Lot was willing to sacrefice his daughters for the LORD's messengers. No one is condemned for haveing that kind of faith in GOD.

Wrong. Attempting to sacrifice his daughters to save the messengers life was an act of desparation and not an act of faith. Nowhere in Scripture is Lot considered a man of faith. If Lot had faith, He would have trusted that the Lord would have kept him and his household safe without his intervention and the outright unfatherly betrayal of his daughters. A good father would have died before letting his girls be defiled.

3. Because they are wrong.

Not altogether. We live a fallen universe, and have frail bodies that are susceptable to disease and disability. That is one of the consequences of the fall. There are cases, where people are attacked by the enemy with diseases and maladies. God does not take credit for EVERY sickness, or disease. In fact, he is not author of such things to start with.

[Guest idied2]

1. Lot was willing to sacrefice his daughters for the LORD's messengers. No one is condemned for haveing that kind of faith in GOD.

Wrong. Attempting to sacrifice his daughters to save the messengers life was an act of desparation and not an act of faith. Nowhere in Scripture is Lot considered a man of faith. If Lot had faith, He would have trusted that the Lord would have kept him and his household safe without his intervention and the outright unfatherly betrayal of his daughters. A good father would have died before letting his girls be defiled.

3. Because they are wrong.

Not altogether. We live a fallen universe, and have frail bodies that are susceptable to disease and disability. That is one of the consequences of the fall. There are cases, where people are attacked by the enemy with diseases and maladies. God does not take credit for EVERY sickness, or disease. In fact, he is not author of such things to start with.

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Of corse Lot had faith. He saw the messengers of the LORD as messengers of the LORD. And not as men to be defiled as the town did. He knew that those folk were wicked and It was indeed a act of faith probably brought on by the righteousness taught to him by brother Abraham. Lot also had faith in what the messengers said and he did not look back. Like his wife did.

And your other case. Read this scripture.

De 32:39

'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 29:16

Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

In CHRIST JESUS

[Guest shiloh357]

Of corse Lot had faith. He saw the messengers of the LORD as messengers of the LORD. And not as men to be defiled as the town did. He knew that those folk were wicked and It was indeed a act of faith probably brought on by the righteousness taught to him by brother Abraham. Lot also had faith in what the messengers said and he did not look back. Like his wife did.

Yeah, and if he had faith, he would have trusted the Lord and not attempted to betray his daughters by giving them to the heathen. So, no, he did not have that much faith. He also not listed among those who had faith in Hebrews 11.

De 32:39

'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 29:16

Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

These issues are not all that the Scriptures have to say about why people suffer. Not every sickness can be attributed to God. You are teaching nonesense.

[Guest idied2]

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De 32:39

'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 29:16

Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

These issues are not all that the Scriptures have to say about why people suffer. Not every sickness can be attributed to God. You are teaching nonesense.

The scriptures might be nonsence to you. But I take them very seriously.

In HIS LOVE

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE

De 32:39

'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 29:16

Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

These issues are not all that the Scriptures have to say about why people suffer. Not every sickness can be attributed to God. You are teaching nonesense.

The scriptures might be nonsence to you. But I take them very seriously.

In HIS LOVE

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Oh Please, cut the baloney. It is YOUR application of the Scriptures that is nonsense. You knew that is exactly what I meant. You think you can just quote a couple of verse out of context, and explain everything? Maybe if you tried to use the Bible properly you might understand the error that you promote.

[Guest idied2]

QUOTE

De 32:39

'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 29:16

Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

These issues are not all that the Scriptures have to say about why people suffer. Not every sickness can be attributed to God. You are teaching nonesense.

The scriptures might be nonsence to you. But I take them very seriously.

In HIS LOVE

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Oh Please, cut the baloney. It is YOUR application of the Scriptures that is nonsense. You knew that is exactly what I meant. You think you can just quote a couple of verse out of context, and explain everything? Maybe if you tried to use the Bible properly you might understand the error that you promote.

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OK shiloh357

I forgive you for this statement "You are teaching nonesense." Please forgive me for "The scriptures might be nonsence to you"

Now What are the Scriptures that you were talking about here.

These issues are not all that the Scriptures have to say about why people suffer. Not every sickness can be attributed to God.

I don't believe that any of us intentionaly teach nonsence.

In CHRIST JESUS

[Guest tanner]

1.) He offered but was not allowed to give his daughters to the people of Sodom because the angels stopped him

as to your question about Lott being spared, it was because of Abram pleading with the Lord and because the Lord had mercy on him and also because he was a rigtheous man, but was being vexed by all the evilness that was around him.........notice these scriptures

Genesis 18:

20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. 30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

Genesis 19:

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

Peter II 2:

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Romans 9:

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

2.) God is no respector of persons. Only he is just and perfect and can judge.

Exodus 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus 34:7 - Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Romans 2:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

3.) Sicknes, death and any other horrible thing can come upon us, when we get heaven just ask Job! But it is not the will of God for us not to be whole and eveyrthing is for the glory of God and the perfecting of the Saints!

John 11:4 - When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Psalms 105:37 - He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.

Zechariah 12:8 - In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Luke 4

, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down

Acts 3:11 - And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering

Acts 4:14 - And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it.

Acts 5:16 - There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one

Acts 8:7 - For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

Acts 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Acts 28:8 - And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.

Acts 28:9 - So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed:

1Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.