hamletcat Posted November 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hi, I was wondering about this topic. I know atonement for sin was animal sacrifices in the Old Testament, but how is it dealt with in the New Testament? What is the atonement for sin in the New Testament, I don't remember reading anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 20, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2014 Your question leads me to ask how your sins were atoned? How were they forgiven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hi, I was wondering about this topic. I know atonement for sin was animal sacrifices in the Old Testament, but how is it dealt with in the New Testament? What is the atonement for sin in the New Testament, I don't remember reading anything about it. Jesus death on the cross is our atonement.  Jesus died on the cross as a penalty for our sins. His death and shed blood paid the price God demanded for our sin.  That's why Jesus died. Man was under a death penalty and Jesus bore that penalty way through this death and in doing so, Jesus brought us eternal life. That's our atonement. Hebrews 10 makes that point.  In fact, Jesus death is even better than an Old Testament atonement in that Jesus' death was the final offering for sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamletcat Posted November 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 When I thought I was an atheist, my personal atonement for sin was to ask forgiveness to the person I hurt, and then do something to make it up to them. If that wasn't possible, ie. someone in my past that I no longer have contact with, then I would ask forgiveness from myself (my mind) and then make it up to mankind in some way. My understanding of the significance of Jesus's death is that his death was the "ultimate sacrifice." We gave up something very precious (Jesus) and because of that we are "square with god." Adam's sin in trade for Jesus. Does that make sense? I have been told that I am wrong about this by other Christians, so I don't know if this is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 When I thought I was an atheist, my personal atonement for sin was to ask forgiveness to the person I hurt, and then do something to make it up to them. If that wasn't possible, ie. someone in my past that I no longer have contact with, then I would ask forgiveness from myself (my mind) and then make it up to mankind in some way. My understanding of the significance of Jesus's death is that his death was the "ultimate sacrifice." We gave up something very precious (Jesus) and because of that we are "square with god." Adam's sin in trade for Jesus. Does that make sense? I have been told that I am wrong about this by other Christians, so I don't know if this is right. We don't "atone" for sin. Making restitution is one thing. That's good, but that doesn't atone for sin in the ultimate sense.  Yes, Jesus death was the ultimate sacrifice.   But no, we did not give up Jesus. Jesus was given to us by God (John 3:16)  God sent His Son to die for us. We didn't give up Jesus to the Father. He gave up Jesus for us.   Jesus canceled out the curse that was upon mankind because of Adam's sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted November 20, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2014 Jesus sacrifice was once for all of us . He took the sins of all mankind on Himself so that we need only to ask for God the Father to forgive us for our sins, but we must ask those whom we have wronged to forgive us also. The greater thing sometime for us is to forgive ourselves. This is a burden that many carry needlessly. We need to turn those burdens over to Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I was wondering about this topic.  I know atonement for sin was animal sacrifices in the Old Testament,  but how is it dealt with in the New Testament? What is the atonement for sin in the New Testament,  I don't remember reading anything about it.   By  Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4  Faith  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:17  In  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. Genesis 22:8  The LORD  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Isaiah 53:5-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamletcat Posted November 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 When I thought I was an atheist, my personal atonement for sin was to ask forgiveness to the person I hurt, and then do something to make it up to them. If that wasn't possible, ie. someone in my past that I no longer have contact with, then I would ask forgiveness from myself (my mind) and then make it up to mankind in some way. My understanding of the significance of Jesus's death is that his death was the "ultimate sacrifice." We gave up something very precious (Jesus) and because of that we are "square with god." Adam's sin in trade for Jesus. Does that make sense? I have been told that I am wrong about this by other Christians, so I don't know if this is right. We don't "atone" for sin. Making restitution is one thing. That's good, but that doesn't atone for sin in the ultimate sense.  Yes, Jesus death was the ultimate sacrifice.   But no, we did not give up Jesus. Jesus was given to us by God (John 3:16)  God sent His Son to die for us. We didn't give up Jesus to the Father. He gave up Jesus for us.   Jesus canceled out the curse that was upon mankind because of Adam's sin. So then is it like this: God sent us his son (the treasure) but then said I am also going to take him away, in trade for Adam's sins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014   When I thought I was an atheist, my personal atonement for sin was to ask forgiveness to the person I hurt, and then do something to make it up to them. If that wasn't possible, ie. someone in my past that I no longer have contact with, then I would ask forgiveness from myself (my mind) and then make it up to mankind in some way. My understanding of the significance of Jesus's death is that his death was the "ultimate sacrifice." We gave up something very precious (Jesus) and because of that we are "square with god." Adam's sin in trade for Jesus. Does that make sense? I have been told that I am wrong about this by other Christians, so I don't know if this is right. We don't "atone" for sin. Making restitution is one thing. That's good, but that doesn't atone for sin in the ultimate sense.  Yes, Jesus death was the ultimate sacrifice.   But no, we did not give up Jesus. Jesus was given to us by God (John 3:16)  God sent His Son to die for us. We didn't give up Jesus to the Father. He gave up Jesus for us.   Jesus canceled out the curse that was upon mankind because of Adam's sin. So then is it like this: God sent us his son (the treasure) but then said I am also going to take him away, in trade for Adam's sins?  No, God sent His Son to die for our sins. Jesus died, was buried and was raised from the dead and as a result we now have forgiveness of sins and eternal love. Jesus isn't take away, nor was Jesus traded for Adam's sin.  Jesus paid the penalty for Adam's sin by His death on the cross. Because Jesus was raised from the dead and lives eternally we have assurance of eternal life when we accept as our Savior.  Furthermore, God did not take Him away. Jesus lives in our hearts in the Person of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "I will never leave you, nor forsake you; I am with you always, even to the end of the world." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 So then is it like this:  God sent us his son (the treasure)  but then said I am also going to take him away, in trade for Adam's sins?   Beloved, It's  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:20-22  Like  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,  that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16  This  For the wages of sin is death;  but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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