Tinky Posted December 26, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. Amen~! That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted December 27, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2014 rontinger, I am unsure how scientific anti realism is supposed to fall out of Christianity. Yes God created everything, can change or suspend the physical rules He created at will etc., but I don't see how it follows they aren't *real*, or are not telling us about the true nature of the physical world. The incompleteness theorem is inappropriately applied here. Lack of complete certainty does not suggest that we cannot have justified beliefs about how the world works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted December 27, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. I don't think I understand this assertion. How is science 'dead'? And I am not sure how it matters if God is *explicitly* 'in it' or not. It works pretty well at what it is meant to do- understand the workings of the physical universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted December 27, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2014 The Power Of The LORD Jesus I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8 Over His Creation, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11 The Cosmos For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17 Who Would Of Thought? And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 ~ We have but barely begun to tap the embarrassing riches of knowledge.... about how the natural world works via the scientific method.... In that sense, science is far from dead.... The growth of our knowledge is currently exponential.... Beloved And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. John 11:43-44 One Day Soon Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 The Explanations Of Science (Knowledge So Called) Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6 Will Be Turned Completely And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Revelation 6:14 Tipsy-Turvy Upside And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Revelation 6:15 Down And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:16-17 ~ Merry Christmas Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Beloved And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:21-23 Love, Your Brother Joe Merry Christmas Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPaulG Posted December 27, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 70 Topic Count: 340 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 16,834 Content Per Day: 4.70 Reputation: 13,549 Days Won: 81 Joined: 07/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/2000 Share Posted December 27, 2014 That is powerful against atheism!!! We have a debate coming up in 2015. Let's pray for atheists to come to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted December 27, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.89 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. I don't think I understand this assertion. How is science 'dead'? And I am not sure how it matters if God is *explicitly* 'in it' or not. It works pretty well at what it is meant to do- understand the workings of the physical universe. Well "science" can't "die" for it had to be alive in the first place...so as to die; It's a Reification (Fallacy). I think Tinky was referring to those "disciplines" who call themselves (by False Pretense and Equivocation), then Masquerade under the term "Science". You know the ones.... Paleontology, Archaeology, Anthropology, most Geology, evolutionary biology (which is a contradiction in terms; one is a pseudo- historical science slapped together incoherently with an Empirical Science), Theoretical Physics (there are echelons here don't go all Maxwell on me ). Throw in Cosmology, because you can't do "repeatable" TESTS/Experiments. These are those that Implicitly, and in most cases Explicitly, shout from the rooftops there is No GOD. It appears "science" was "Hijacked" somewhere in the *vicinity of 1800* and stolen (COUNTERFEITED) from it's GOD-Fearing Pioneers ( Kepler, Newton, Galileo, Copernicus, et al). This maybe a little heavy for these boards, so I will tread very very lightly and leave it up to the reader to search out the matter (If you go far enough, you will find it and be able to corroborate it 6 ways from Sunday). If you are inclined, and before you do.... I STRONGLY Suggest donning The Whole Armour OF GOD (SEE Ephesians 6) "Their" Marching Orders were ratified on 1 May 1776. Guess "WHO" was in charge? The mission (and still is, btw)....."Destroy The Bible without Burning It". That's all I have to say about that. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. I don't think I understand this assertion. How is science 'dead'? And I am not sure how it matters if God is *explicitly* 'in it' or not. It works pretty well at what it is meant to do- understand the workings of the physical universe. Rationally speaking... if God IS, than is He not in everything already? He would have to be in any study or thought process. "It" would not work pretty well at what it was meant to do because understanding any part of the physical universe would have to concede to it's Creator at some point or other, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted December 28, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. I don't think I understand this assertion. How is science 'dead'? And I am not sure how it matters if God is *explicitly* 'in it' or not. It works pretty well at what it is meant to do- understand the workings of the physical universe. Rationally speaking... if God IS, than is He not in everything already? He would have to be in any study or thought process. "It" would not work pretty well at what it was meant to do because understanding any part of the physical universe would have to concede to it's Creator at some point or other, no? If the majority of car mechanics don't believe in God would that make the Car Repair field 'dead'? I can't see how that would follow! The reality of science is, the vast majority of it does not directly, or even one or two stepped removed, deal with origins questions. The vast majority of it deals with very specific questions about how some physical phenomenon works. Therefore, whether or not the researcher acknowledges God or not in their work doesn't affect how the vast majority of science is actually done at all. (also the above is partially a response to Enoch also... the vast majority of research is done with concerete, specific, particular matters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,420 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,577 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Science died when they removed God from it. I don't think I understand this assertion. How is science 'dead'? And I am not sure how it matters if God is *explicitly* 'in it' or not. It works pretty well at what it is meant to do- understand the workings of the physical universe. Rationally speaking... if God IS, than is He not in everything already? He would have to be in any study or thought process. "It" would not work pretty well at what it was meant to do because understanding any part of the physical universe would have to concede to it's Creator at some point or other, no? If the majority of car mechanics don't believe in God would that make the Car Repair field 'dead'? I can't see how that would follow! Yes for that which continues with God is "life" and that which ends and does not continue with God is "death" God's Creative Word His Son Jesus Christ has told us all things He plans with this first creation2 Peter 3:10-13 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. KJV What manner of man knowing this would invest in any more than that which is only necessary to occupy till He returns! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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