Guest shiloh357 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 We are being conditioned to accept control, and it is will only get worse. We have already allowed the government to get its hands on our health care, and they are getting more and more into our personal lives and telling us what we can eat, what we can put in our food, what we can drink what light bulbs to use, what to drive, and so on. This administration wants control of everything we do and they pushing the envelope a little more and a little more to see what we will put up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted December 30, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2014 In response to shoes... What about aspartame and Monsanto?? The harm being done by their products outweighs ANYTHING done by trans fats!? But the payout to legislators outweighs the damage to citizens. What about margarine?? The damage by a plastic that is ingested is OK?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoes_untied Posted December 30, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 292 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2014 In response to shoes... What about aspartame and Monsanto?? The harm being done by their products outweighs ANYTHING done by trans fats!? But the payout to legislators outweighs the damage to citizens. What about margarine?? The damage by a plastic that is ingested is OK?? Those are all legitimate questions and so thanks for posing them in a straightforward manner rather than starting a thread with a title like "Should Government Ban Sugar Free Breath Mints" or something silly like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoes_untied Posted December 30, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 292 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2014 The FDA is seeking to ban trans fats that are used to prolong the life in a number of baked goods. This includes sprinkles. Therefore, if you run a website that depends on throwing out click bait on a daily basis by feeding people's existing biases, you spin this as they are banning sprinkles. In reality sprinkles will continue as always but just won't contain this type of trans fat...but who would click on a headline like "FDA Bans Trans Fats that Shorten Shelf LIfe of Some Baked Goods and Ingredients". So yeah, kind of Russia like that you can't really trust what you read in the media. As far as the FDA goes, here's a long list of FDA milestones spanning virtually every President in the last 100+ years. http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/WhatWeDo/History/Milestones/ucm128305.htm Like I said, this is how tyranny always begins. It starts banning things on the grounds that this is for our protection, when the real motive is control. Your little list isn't the same as what we are talking about here. It is one thing to make sure that drugs do what they claim to do, food is safe to eat and free of poisons, and that ingredients are correctly represented and that what is on the label is what is in the can. But this government is trying to control what you eat, what you can drink and how much, what your kids eat, what you can drive, and so on. This ban on trans fats is just another example of that. I actually don't have a problem with you fighting the elimination of trans fats but what is being purported in the quasi news article is that that sprinkles are being banned which is frankly a lie being used just create click bait targeted at people so eager to hear something that feeds their conspiracy bias that they will believe it unquestioningly and then pass it on. The information is in more reputable news sites, but they have side adds that promote questionable things so that I can't link to them here. This was the only article that I could link to without violating the TOS. But the story is carried by many news sites that are better. It's not a lie. The reality is that trans fats do nothing for the enjoyment of the food you eat and while it does occur naturally in small amounts in some foods, it is nothing more than a manufactured preservative that allows bakeries to store baking materials or frozen baked goods longer. If the sprinkles issues is of particular concern to you, fear not, they will still exist. They will just have to be fresher when you consume them. I don't care about the sprinkles. I don't eat the sprinkles generally. It's the principle that I am concerned with. It is the constant need this administration has to control what we buy and consume. If trans fat is no big deal one way or the other there is no reason to ban it, other than to exercise control. This is futile but it is, in fact, a lie to say the government is banning donut sprinkles in the same way it would be a lie to say that when the government banned leaded gasoline that it was banning automobiles. Regarding whether you care about sprinkles or not; fair enough and I don't really car about sprinkles either as I am more of an apple fritter man but you started this thread and created the title "US Government Banning Donut Sprinkles". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoes_untied Posted December 30, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 292 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2014 We are being conditioned to accept control, and it is will only get worse. We have already allowed the government to get its hands on our health care, and they are getting more and more into our personal lives and telling us what we can eat, what we can put in our food, what we can drink what light bulbs to use, what to drive, and so on. This administration wants control of everything we do and they pushing the envelope a little more and a little more to see what we will put up with. I would agree that relinquishing control of health care is a very slippery slope and one that we need to be seriously concerned about as Christians. As far as the motive is concerned. Obama doesn't seem to me the type to be overly consumed with controlling our lives. In some ways he is more libertarian than many in the right wing. I think he just has a vastly larger trust in what big government can do for us than conservatives have and either doesn't have a good understanding of unintended consequences that result from big government or he is just a run of the mill politician who realizes those consequences will come back to haunt future politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 We are being conditioned to accept control, and it is will only get worse. We have already allowed the government to get its hands on our health care, and they are getting more and more into our personal lives and telling us what we can eat, what we can put in our food, what we can drink what light bulbs to use, what to drive, and so on. This administration wants control of everything we do and they pushing the envelope a little more and a little more to see what we will put up with. I would agree that relinquishing control of health care is a very slippery slope and one that we need to be seriously concerned about as Christians. As far as the motive is concerned. Obama doesn't seem to me the type to be overly consumed with controlling our lives. Uh, Obamacare IS proof that He is consumed with controlling our lives. You control someone's health you control them. This administration wants to micromanage our lives. Obama has a very strong socialist/communist bent and it shows. In some ways he is more libertarian than many in the right wing. Oh please.... I think he just has a vastly larger trust in what big government can do for us than conservatives have and either doesn't have a good understanding of unintended consequences that result from big government or he is just a run of the mill politician who realizes those consequences will come back to haunt future politicians. No, he is not that stupid. He is quite intelligent and he knows exactly what he is doing. He understands the consequences; those consequences are what he wants. He wants to be a third world "president" which in that part of the world, is just another term for dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 i haven't looked up the article. to ban sprinkles is absurd, so i am inclined to agree (at least in part) with what shoes is saying. (i know, but God still performs miracles.) it's not the sprinkles themselves being banned, but what is used to make them. so basically the recipe will change and sprinkles will continue to exist. BUT... i agree with shiloh that this is more government overreach. in a free country like america we're stripped of freedoms every day... we're stripped of the freedom to feed ourselves and our children as WE see fit. the government thinks it can do a better job. it can't. it really doesn't even want to. michelle obama's lunch program is insane. it's not enough to sustain a growing child through a school day, and can be potentially harmful to children who are engaged in physically demanding activities like football, cheer leading, marching band... why are they zeroing in on trans fats, and yet seem to not care a whit about things like msg and hfcs? why do they not ban artificial flavorings or colorings that have been scientifically proven to be unhealthy? why don't they ban the use of round-up being sprayed on farm crops, poisoning all of us? don't get me wrong, i'm not advocating they do those things, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 There are all kinds of things we shouldn't eat. But everyone should have the freedom to make the choice to eat or not eat those things. The free market should be allowed to decide. If people stop buying food that contains trans fat, then companies will stop putting trans fat in what they make. That's how it should be. It's not really about the food itself. it's not about sprinkles or whatever. It's about the way the government thinks it needs to create a nanny state. The Obamas need to keep their snoots out of what we eat, what we wear, what we drive, what we buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 There are all kinds of things we shouldn't eat. But everyone should have the freedom to make the choice to eat or not eat those things. The free market should be allowed to decide. If people stop buying food that contains trans fat, then companies will stop putting trans fat in what they make. That's how it should be. It's not really about the food itself. it's not about sprinkles or whatever. It's about the way the government thinks it needs to create a nanny state. The Obamas need to keep their snoots out of what we eat, what we wear, what we drive, what we buy. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mswright6488 Posted December 30, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 73 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/14/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1975 Share Posted December 30, 2014 makes me so mad although I will admit I had to laugh at first because its unreal. Ban something that is harming people like porn, cigarettes, alcohol, homelessness... but donut sprinkles? Spend money on something that counts. Dear Lord help us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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