What is the difference in a conscience and the Holy Spirit?

[Guest]

Not sure if I am understanding, conscience totally separate thing from the Holy Spirit?....

 

Or is what we perceive to be our conscience....

 

actually the Holy Spirit calling to us....

 

 whether we are saved....

 

or not saved...

 

 

All

 

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?

 

there is none good but one,

 

that is, God. Mark 10:18

 

Good

 

Jesus answered,

 

“Very truly I tell you,

 

no one can enter the kingdom of God

 

unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

 

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

 

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.

 

So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3:5-8 (NIV)

 

Things

 

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above,

 

and cometh down from the Father of lights,

 

with whom is no variableness,

 

neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

 

~

 

Beloved,

 

(Indeed, when Gentiles,

 

who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,

 

they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.

 

They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,

 

their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts

 

sometimes accusing them and at other times

 

even defending them.) Romans 2:14-15 (NIV)

 

What Do You

 

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry,

 

written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,

 

not on tablets of stone but on tablets

 

of human hearts. 2 Corinthians 3:3 (NIV)

 

Think?

[Kan]

I believe the Holy Spirit is the source of all conscience, because essentially it is the free bias for right doing, which not is not only automatic due to the nature of creation, but due to the benefits of the sacrifice of Christ after sin entered.

In the beginning when sin entered our world, Christ gave the race an assurance that there would be a conflict between the values of the serpent and the values the Seed which is Christ.

 

Every man is given "a measure of faith" by the same token. 

 

If any man follows this calling he will be saved. Many are called but few are chosen, because they ignore the calling, not just once but repeatedly.

 

In the Day of judgement the unrepentant and willful, have no excuse, because by that gift of conscience and faith, the blood of Christ was upon them to save them, so that no one is without excuse.

 

The sin of Christendom is to teach exclusivity, where they are advantaged over the heathen because of their belief system, and have not taught the equalizing values of the gospel to all men.

[ayin jade]

The conscience is what the individual thinks is right. The Holy Spirit tells believers what He knows is right.

[disciplehelovestoo]

before we receive spiritual rebirth, the conscience is trained by the world on the laws of performance.  once reborn, as we allow the Holy Spirit to train us in the law of faith in grace, the conscience shifts from focus on performance to focus on relationship with God.  a right conscience is one that alerts you to the fact that you aren't in fellowship with God at the moment; a wrong conscience alerts you to the fact that you've transgressed a law (could be God's law or the world's law); and a seared conscience is one that you've learned to completely ignore.  

[Kan]

The conscience is what the individual thinks is right. The Holy Spirit tells believers what He knows is right.

The Holy Spirit tells what is right through a person's thoughts, how else? yes the Bible and religion, but ultimately in the man's own thoughts. Paul says "their thoughts either condemning or justifying them."

 

Paul says that the heathen who have no law go by what is written in their hearts ie the law of God, which He has put into life and into the nature of mankind.

The law of God still applies where it is not known simply by necessity. For example if a person is killed, someone loses their loved one. The loss is against the values of living - a natural law known by all. Stealing and adultery are laws which everyone understands. Lying, jealousy and envy are known by all, etc.

So the law of God is intrinsically practical for life, it is called the law of life and also the law of liberty. It calls for common sense and better or fairer living standards.

Of course, if the existing social laws contravene the law of God, then the society suffers - a natural consequence. In this case God judges them according to the light and opportunities they had. So there will be many in heaven who don't even know who God is.

[Kan]

before we receive spiritual rebirth,   once reborn, as we allow the Holy Spirit to train us in the law of faith in grace, the conscience shifts from focus on performance to focus on relationship with God.  a right conscience is one that alerts you to the fact that you aren't in fellowship with God at the moment; a wrong conscience alerts you to the fact that you've transgressed a law (could be God's law or the world's law); and a seared conscience is one that you've learned to completely ignore.  

That's a very concise and appealing answer.

The statement "the conscience is trained by the world on the laws of performance." 

Reminds me of "the law was our school master to bring us unto Christ." 

[Jerry1023]

The Holy Spirit will never condemed you or judge you,If you are a correct child of God,the moment you started thinking it, in your mind, to do something that is not good or bad or wrong,the Holy Spirit will start to instruct you,sometime He will ask you a simple question,like, do you think what you are about to do is right,He will now leave you to decide,He act like a gentle man by nature,

Your conscience will judge you immediately you finish doing the wrong thing,

After sometime it will stop,

The Holy Spirit will speak to you,before you do it,while your conscience will condemed you after doing it,

There is a very big defference between the two,

sometime the Holy Spirit speaks before you act,why the conscience speaks after you have acted,

every action or reaction,take place in our mind,before we display it physically.

everybody have conscience,but not everybody have the Holy Spirit,

every matured person,have the ability to differenciate wrong and right,

Though some people have sold their conscience to satan.

i think some people conscience are dead or they have been taking away by devil.

[ayin jade]

 

The conscience is what the individual thinks is right. The Holy Spirit tells believers what He knows is right.

The Holy Spirit tells what is right through a person's thoughts, how else? yes the Bible and religion, but ultimately in the man's own thoughts. Paul says "their thoughts either condemning or justifying them."

 

Paul says that the heathen who have no law go by what is written in their hearts ie the law of God, which He has put into life and into the nature of mankind.

The law of God still applies where it is not known simply by necessity. For example if a person is killed, someone loses their loved one. The loss is against the values of living - a natural law known by all. Stealing and adultery are laws which everyone understands. Lying, jealousy and envy are known by all, etc.

So the law of God is intrinsically practical for life, it is called the law of life and also the law of liberty. It calls for common sense and better or fairer living standards.

Of course, if the existing social laws contravene the law of God, then the society suffers - a natural consequence. In this case God judges them according to the light and opportunities they had. So there will be many in heaven who don't even know who God is.

 

 

It was asked what the difference was. The difference is simple: one is of man, the other is of God. 

[Kan]

If there is a difference, in the conscience of man and the work of the Holy Spirit, then the arena of the mind claimed by God, is for man and not God. Where and how does the Holy Spirit speak if not through the conscience?

 

Humanism suggests that man's conscience is from his own natural inherent social values etc.

It also means that if a man goes to heaven because of a good conscience, that he gains eternal life by his own graces.

However if any goodness comes from God through the work of the Holy Ghost then every man can be judged by how they have responded to that work.

But if the conscience and Spirit are independent, then a man on trial in the judgement, with either a good or bad conscience, should have the right to plead ignorance of the work of the Holy Spirit and be pardoned. But Paul says that they are without excuse, because God has been the instigator of discernment for them.

 

However the Q may suggest that the conscience can be educated by either what people teach or what the Holy Spirit teaches, and so yes there is the difference. But a good outcome from whatever we pick up on, depends on God helping us to feel the right thing.

[disciplehelovestoo]

Heb 9:1-14 KJV

(1)  Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

(2)  For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

(3)  And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

(4)  Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

(5)  And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

(6)  Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

(7)  But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

(8)  The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

(9)  Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

(10)  Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

(11)  But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

(12)  Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

(13)  For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

(14)  How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

so the Holy Spirit trains you - not to avoid transgressing laws according to your own understanding, but rather to be led by God using the His laws as confirmation of His leading in each situation you face.  as the Holy Spirit prompts you back into fellowship with God, and you yield to His leading as a result, you will not sin (as He will never lead you to transgress His laws as HE applies them in a given situation) - the more you are led by God through fellowship with Him, the less you will make your own decisions about what the right action is in a given situation, thus 'purging your conscience of dead works' (dead works being what you decide to do that's right according to your own understanding, versus yielding to God's leading as to what to do that's right according to HIS understanding).