Guest Thallasa Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 When God created Adam, He said it was good.When Adam fell, he didn't become evil, he became wounded in his soul, a wounding that would be transmitted to all who came after him, inheriting a fallen human nature. No, on the day he disobeyed God, he died just as God said. It was a spiritual death. Which is why Jesus came to bring us back to life.Yes, the fall caused spiritual death. Our fallen human nature is the result. Spiritual death and evil are not synonymous words.I agree with that ,they are not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thallasa Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Are people basically good? "Where sin abounded there did grace much more abound" There is far more goodness in the earth than evil."My Spirit shall not always strive with men" "Whom the Lord loves He chastens" Everyone is carefully and thoughtfully chastened by the Lord."None is righteous"People are basically good because of the Spirit of God striving with them through every means there is in life, including the conscience. The difference between a believer and unbeliever is just that, and nothing else.What would happen if the Spirit no longer strives to comfort people and make them half normal?Do people push themselves outside of God's guidance and protection? Yes. They even become possessed by the devil to commit the worst acts.Good post Kan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 12:34Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Jeremiah 17:9“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? Edited October 6, 2015 by *Zion* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted October 6, 2015 James 3:1-8New King James Version (NKJV)The Untamable Tongue3 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 6, 2015 James 3:1-8New King James Version (NKJV) The Untamable Tongue 3 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. I'm not going to say a thing... oooooh too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) My point is that WITHOUT God, thanks to our sinful nature, we are inherently evil, because we are born in original sin. But thanks to be to God who gives us His forgiveness and life! The wrong belief that people are basically good makes people think that the gospel is a bonus in life, not life that we need, which could not be farther from the truth. Unless we abide in Him, of ourselves we can do nothing. Bless God that we live in Him, and He in us! Edited October 7, 2015 by *Zion* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2015 My point is that with God, thanks to our sinful nature, we are inherently evil, because we are born in original sin. But thanks to be to God who gives us His forgiveness and life! The wrong belief that people are basically good makes people think that the gospel is a bonus in life, not life that we need, which could not be farther from the truth. Unless we abide in Him, of ourselves we can do nothing. Bless God that we live in Him, and He in us!I would say we are inherently wounded so that our communion with God is lost. That does not make us inherently evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 6, 2015 My point is that with God, thanks to our sinful nature, we are inherently evil, because we are born in original sin. But thanks to be to God who gives us His forgiveness and life! The wrong belief that people are basically good makes people think that the gospel is a bonus in life, not life that we need, which could not be farther from the truth. Unless we abide in Him, of ourselves we can do nothing. Bless God that we live in Him, and He in us!I would say we are inherently wounded so that our communion with God is lost. That does not make us inherently evil. This is 180 degrees out of line with the Word of God.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) My point is that with God, thanks to our sinful nature, we are inherently evil, because we are born in original sin. But thanks to be to God who gives us His forgiveness and life! The wrong belief that people are basically good makes people think that the gospel is a bonus in life, not life that we need, which could not be farther from the truth. Unless we abide in Him, of ourselves we can do nothing. Bless God that we live in Him, and He in us!I would say we are inherently wounded so that our communion with God is lost. That does not make us inherently evil. This is 180 degrees out of line with the Word of God....I disagree.The words of Jesus:Mat 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mat 12:35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Luk 6:45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Edited October 6, 2015 by thereselittleflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 6, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 6, 2015 My point is that with God, thanks to our sinful nature, we are inherently evil, because we are born in original sin. But thanks to be to God who gives us His forgiveness and life! The wrong belief that people are basically good makes people think that the gospel is a bonus in life, not life that we need, which could not be farther from the truth. Unless we abide in Him, of ourselves we can do nothing. Bless God that we live in Him, and He in us!I would say we are inherently wounded so that our communion with God is lost. That does not make us inherently evil. This is 180 degrees out of line with the Word of God....I disagree.The words of Jesus:Mat 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mat 12:35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Luk 6:45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Rom 3:2323 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;KJVIs this good TLF and does it refer to all people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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