Absolem Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 433 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1990 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, BobRyan said: Not in real life. In real life no one has quoted me claiming to argue for the "Law over Jesus". I prefer real life. False accusation alone - is not the same thing as a substantive claim in fact. I am sure we would both agree to this in real life people are hurting. They need Jesus. Who cares about bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, enoob57 said: So now that we have the why the Law could not be salvic in nature... we must look elsewhere right? I was reading your post casually trying to see the point, maybe getting it, maybe not, and then this ? I thought the TORAH, the Law of YHWH, as part of or as the main purpose YHWH said for TORAH, is that it leads people to Christ ...... that YHWH said that's why HE gave us TORAH ..... And elsewhere also, or maybe in the same texts of Scripture, that TORAH is LIGHT, and is enlightening, and pure, and good for the soul, etc etc .... (not that TORAH can accomplish eternal life for anyone, but a lot of good and even leading people to Christ, is the purpose of TORAH, if my memory is not failing me.....) .... And where else would you look ? (separate question entirely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,194 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, simplejeff said: I was reading your post casually trying to see the point, maybe it, maybe not, and then this ? I thought the TORAH, the Law of YHWH, as part of or as the main purpose YHWH said for TORAH, is that it leads people to Christ ...... that YHWH said that's why HE gave us TORAH ..... And elsewhere also, or maybe in the same texts of Scripture, that TORAH is LIGHT, and is enlightening, and pure, and good for the soul, etc etc .... (not that TORAH can accomplish eternal life for anyone, but a lot of good and even leading people to Christ, is the purpose of TORAH, if my memory is not failing me.....) .... And where else would you look ? (separate question entirely) That is exactly my point.... and Being Christ our Holiness why go back to the law for anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolem Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 433 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1990 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, enoob57 said: That is exactly my point.... and Being Christ our Holiness why go back to the law for anything? To boast. Or avoid persecution for the cross of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Absolem said: in real life people are hurting. They need Jesus. Who cares about bats. In real life, whenever anyone came to Jesus, ever, and did what Jesus says to do, they were healed/ saved/ blessed/ a family member of theirs was healed, and so on. And if they were dying from eating bats, or poison, or from committing any other sin (like idolatry, adultery, theft, etc) and turned to Jesus, came to Jesus, and did what Jesus said to do, they were still healed/ forgiven/ saved , right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolem Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 433 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1990 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, simplejeff said: In real life, whenever anyone came to Jesus, ever, and did what Jesus says to do, they were healed/ saved/ blessed/ a family member of theirs was healed, and so on. And if they were dying from eating bats, or poison, or from committing any other sin (like idolatry, adultery, theft, etc) and turned to Jesus, came to Jesus, and did what Jesus said to do, they were still healed/ forgiven/ saved , right ? Yeah but not everyone has this knowledge. Your crushing them with the law. All wisdom and knowledge is hid in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: That is exactly my point.... and Being Christ our Holiness why go back to the law for anything? zooooom !!! Right over everything ..... out of nowhere ........ completely non sequitor (doesn't follow) ..... For most people Christ is not their Holiness, ever. and who ever said to go back to the law ? (we might have to cut this tangent short though, and go back a few posts to finish up finding the meaning of earlier posts (in the last 2 hours) ..... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,194 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I think it is possible they do not understand the Law's purpose was fulfilled in Christ and now, for those born again, have a new Law written on the new heart... this new Law of the heart is Love and it directs us to a New Heaven and New Earth and we sojourn here while in mind and heart live being fitted for the new body for there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Absolem said: Yeah but not everyone has this knowledge. Your crushing them with the law. All wisdom and knowledge is hid in Christ. Earlier you bore false witness against another brother in Christ saying something like this (just a few posts back and pointed out by me and by him both). Now you bear false witness against me without any warrant to , with no reason to, except I think you feel backed into a corner by your own errors.... I don't know or care why, per se.... bearing false witness is a judgable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolem Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 433 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1990 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, simplejeff said: Earlier you bore false witness against another brother in Christ saying something like this (just a few posts back and pointed out by me and by him both). Now you bear false witness against me without any warrant to , with no reason to, except I think you feel backed into a corner by your own errors.... I don't know or care why, per se.... bearing false witness is ajudgabloffense When did I bare false witness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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