natasha Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1973 Share Posted February 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said: - I understand your point. But, it wasn't all they had. They actually had the presence of God in His Temple in Jerusalem. They actually had The Prophets Of God. And they actually had Jesus The Word Of God that became flesh and dwelt among them. Then they actually had God's Holy Spirit. Still they weren't perfect. They said and did things in ways that prove they didn't understand what God's will was in situations. well sure. look at my post above where I answered thereselittleflower I agree they lacked understanding...no different nowadays though I would think. We still don't really 'get it' on our own. Like there is a disconnect between what we believe or even see or experience. I know I can be that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, natasha said: well I guess I can 'see' that. however, what scriptures did Jesus expound upon after His resurrection when walking with the disciples (who didn't recognize Him at first) I'm just musing here. Jesus explained about Himself according to prophecy in the OT the passage states. I think the Holy Spirit has to make things 'real' to us no matter which testament we are reading or studying in Anyway, here is the passage I was thinking of from Luke 24 19 “What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.” 25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. Yes, because the Old Testament is full of types and shadows of Christ and so He would use them to show how they pointed to Him. However, if all we had was the Old Testament, then all we would have are the types and shadows, and we could never fully enter the light, we would still be living in the types and shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natasha Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1973 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, thereselittleflower said: Yes, because the Old Testament is full of types and shadows of Christ and so He would use them to show how they pointed to Him. However, if all we had was the Old Testament, then all we would have are the types and shadows, and we could never fully enter the light, we would still be living in the types and shadows. ummm did you read what revelationwriter wrote above? what are your thoughts on that? see, for me, my question is open ended. I don't think I can know for sure? open for discussion by all means though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, natasha said: ummm did you read what revelationwriter wrote above? what are your thoughts on that? see, for me, my question is open ended. I don't think I can know for sure? open for discussion by all means though I did read what he wrote above - I read how he questions all of christianty and denies Jesus is God. I think that anyone who claims to be christian yet denies Jesus is God and questions everything about christianity needs to go back to square one and is very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natasha Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1973 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said: I think that someone who denies Jesus is God and questions everything about christianity needs to go back to square one and is a very confused person. I think you are saying something I don't know anything about? sorry? I certainly don't reject Jesus is God...so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, natasha said: I think you are saying something I don't know anything about? sorry? I certainly don't reject Jesus is God...so ? You asked me a question about what RevelationWriter posted. How is my answer about what he posted somehow about you? Now I am confused. He posted this: and the last statement was his - but he put it in the quote box which makes it appear as though I said it. He said: - 'the word became flesh' God did not become Jesus. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natasha Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1973 Share Posted February 23, 2016 num...I am really get confused here would you mind resaying what you said? if you want to continue that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, natasha said: num...I am really get confused here would you mind resaying what you said? if you want to continue that is Part of the confusion is the way posts have been posted. Something revelationwriter said is posted in his quote of what I said. That makes it look like I said it when he said it. I gave you a link to that post. I don't know how to make that clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, RevelationWriter said: - I understand your point. But, it wasn't all they had. They actually had the presence of God in His Temple in Jerusalem. They actually had The Prophets Of God. And they actually had Jesus The Word Of God that became flesh and dwelt among them. Then they actually had God's Holy Spirit. Still they weren't perfect. They said and did things in ways that prove they didn't understand what God's will was in situations. 1. The law is not limited to the covenant of Sinai only. Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 2. The prophets likewise are not limited to the Sinai covenant either 1 Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Therefore I think it right to say, when we speak of old covenant, as well as law how are we speaking? The new covenant writers used law in the context of two covenants to Abraham, And the prophets also spoke according to the same IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted February 23, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, natasha said: well sure. look at my post above where I answered thereselittleflower I agree they lacked understanding...no different nowadays though I would think. We still don't really 'get it' on our own. Like there is a disconnect between what we believe or even see or experience. I know I can be that way Yes, my thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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