When Nations turn against Israel

[n2thelight]

5 hours ago, OldCoot said:

Sure, while I don't actually know about WW II, I did spend a fair amount of time in college level history courses and almost the entire 1970's in the military.  Spent a lot of time with those who actually did time during the big one. 

Actually lot of blame to go around.  Britain issued the white paper that prevented many Jews from immigrating from Europe to the middle east to escape Germany's purge.  That doomed millions to death in Europe.  And the French have little to be proud about in this regard.  The Dreyfus affair comes to mind.

What is Israel today is the greatest fulfillment of prophecy that has occurred in our lifetimes.  Isaiah said that they would be regathered a second time.  The first regathering was after the Babylonian captivity.  If you take the 430 years of punishment proclaimed by Ezekiel 4, 70 years of punishment were done in Babylon.   That left 360 years.  Israel remained in rebellion of God by rejecting the Messiah.  Take the 360 year and multiply it by the prescription of Leviticus 26 of punishment 7 times over, and apply it to when the decree to rebuild the temple was given by Cyrus (the end of the first 70 years of punishment in the Babylonian captivity), you come out to May 1948, when the modern nation of Israel was established.  If you apply it to the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, you come out to June of 1967, when Israel reclaimed all of Jerusalem.

Now one can choose to ignore it, or choose to accept it.  Not my problem.  But I pretty much hold that God means what He says, and says what He means.  And I am in good company. One of the greatest minds of all time, who also wrote prolifically on Bible prophecy.....

"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies of the Bible and insist on a literal interpretation in the midst of much clamor and opposition."  - Sir Isaac Newton.  

But you have yet to answer my question,Yes Israel becoming a state again is a great prophecy,as it signals the generation that will not pass.

Yet you cannot sit here and tell me that ,that nation state of Israel has fulfilled the other prophecies  Israel of scripture were suppose and did do

That nation state of Israel did not spread the gospel around the world,her brother,the Christian nations did.

My question what prophecies has that nation state of Israel fulfilled ,other than becoming a nation again?

[OldCoot]

31 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

But you have yet to answer my question,Yes Israel becoming a state again is a great prophecy,as it signals the generation that will not pass.

Yet you cannot sit here and tell me that ,that nation state of Israel has fulfilled the other prophecies  Israel of scripture were suppose and did do

That nation state of Israel did not spread the gospel around the world,her brother,the Christian nations did.

My question what prophecies has that nation state of Israel fulfilled ,other than becoming a nation again?

Most of what they are designed to do will be during the Great Tribulation, via the Two Witnesses and the 144,000.  And while Christianity has spread the message to most of the world, it still has not spread it to all the world.  Even the Bible has not been translated into every language. If you really want to get technical, an angel of God is the one who will proclaim the gospel to the whole world....

Revelation 14:6 (NKJV) Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—

Edited July 9, 2017 by OldCoot

[n2thelight]

11 hours ago, Thallasa said:

Could I please ask , what makes you say that ,"the English people " are the offspring of the tribe of Ephraim ?

Because they fulfilled the prophecies 

 

Fifty (Bible) Reasons Why The Jews Are

Not Israel

FRED ROBERTSON

Route l Box 497

Finger, Tennessee 38334

When it is declared that the U. S. and Britain and other Nordic nations are

Israelites and the chosen people of God, most of the modern lay churches

call it false and without foundation, but refuse to give any Scriptures to

prove that we are not. They put us on the defensive by demanding proof

of our claims, and in response we give evidence from Scripture, history,

ethnology and heraldry. As a reaction to the usual tactics of our oppo-

nents the order has been reversed and some questions presented for an

answer:

Can those who disagree with us furnish evidence to prove that we are not

Israel, and that the Jews are? No man's answer will suffice. The answer

must come from God's Word so that the issue may be clear.

The modern day church states that the Jew and Israel are one and the

same; also that the U.S.A., Britain and other Nordic nations are Gentile

(in the sense of heathen) nations. If their claim is true, and the Jews are

Israel,

THEY HAVE TO FULFILL EVERY SCRIPTURE WHICH

GOD SAID ISRAEL WOULD FULFILL:

So in answer to my critics in relation to my latest books

"Who Am I?"

I

present the following questions relative to the above mentioned subject.

All these questions emerge from reading God's Word and history.

1.

Have the Jews blessed all the nations of the earth? Gen. 12:3;

22: 18.

( Page 4 )

2.

Are the Jews circumcised in heart? Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Ro-

mans 2:28 and 29; Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:9-11.

3.

Have the Jews ever glorified Christ and has He been

recognized by the Jewish nation? Isa. 41:16; Luke 1:32 and

7:16.

4.

Do the Jews declare that Christ is the Lord God of

Israel of the old Testament? Isa. 43:10 & 12; 44:8; 49:3-6;

52:6; and Acts 1:8.

5.

Do the Jews show forth the praise of Jesus? Isa.

43:21

6.

Have the Jews carried the gospel to all the world

and witnessed for Jesus Christ and held the Bible open?

Gen. 28:14; Isa 43:10; 44:21; and look at Isa. 49:3,6 and

Acts 1:8 again.

7.

Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of

God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isa. 59:21.

8.

Was the New Covenant written only to the Jews?

The bible states that it was made with the House of Israel

and the House of Judah. Jer. 31: 31-33; Heb. 8:8-10; Matt.

26:28.

9.

Are the Jews the sheep of Israel? Ezek. 34:11,12;

Psalm 78:52; 95:1,6,7; Isa. 53:6; John 10:22-27; Matt.

15:24.

10.

Are the Jews the Children of God scattered

abroad? St. John 7:35; 10:16 and 11:52.

( Page 5 )

11.

Is Jesus Christ glorified in the Jews? Isa. 49:3;

Romans 8:29,30; 11:1,2 and 9:4.

12.

Are the Jews the servants of God? Isa. 41:8; 43:8

and 49:3.

13.

Are the Jews a holy nation, a chosen generation, a

royal priesthood, a peculiar people? Ex. 19:5,6; Deut. 14:2

and 7:6; 1 Peter 2:9,10; and 1:1,2.

14.

Are the Jews the great characters mentioned in the

great faith chapter of Hebrews 11? (Not one was a Jew.)

15.

Are the Jews a "righteous nation?" Isaiah 26:2.

16

. Are the Jews bringing forth the fruits of the king-

dom? Hosea 14:8; Matt. 21:43.

17.

Are the Jews kind to strangers? Lev. 19:33,34; Matt.

25:31-46.

18.

Are the Jews called the "sons of the living God?"

Hosea 1:10.

19.

Do the Jews claim to be "not God's people? Hosea

1:10.

20.

Do the Jews have all of God's Word? Deut. 33:4;

Psalm 147:19 &20; Romans 9:3-5.

21.

Are the Jews a great and mighty nation? Genesis

18:18.

22

. Are the Jews today innumerable as the stars of

heaven and as the sand of the seashore? Gen. 22:17; Hosea

1:10.

( Page 6 )

23.

Do the Jews possess the gate of their enemies? Gen.

22:17; 24:60.

24.

Are the Jews a nation and a company of nations?

Gen. 35:11; 48:49.

25.

Will the Jews push all the people together to the

ends of the earth? Deut. 33:17.

26.

Are the Jews above all the people on the face of the

earth? Deut. 7:6; & 12:2; Psalm 135:4; amos 3:2.

27.

Have the Jews ever dwelt alone in a home appoint-

ed by God? Num. 23: 9; 2 Sam. 7 :10; 1 Chron. 17:9; Deut.

29:28; Jer: 16:13 & 3:18; Ezek. 36:24 and Acts 17:26.

28.

Have the Jews a navy or naval power? Num. 24:7;

Isa. 60:5, 9,

29.

Did or will the Jews eat up the nations, their ene-

mies? Num. 24:8.

30.

Are Jews God's battle axe? Num. 24:8,9; Isa.

41:15,16; Jer. 51:20-23.

31.

Are the Jews feared by all nations? Deut. 2:25;

28:10.

32.

Are the Jews a mighty nation, crushing and grind-

ing to powder all who oppose them? Matt. 21:44 and Daniel

2:44.

33.

Have the Jews inherited the gentiles? Isa. 54:3.

34.

Is it possible to count 1/4 of the Jews, or all of

them? Num. 23:10.

( Page 7 )

35.

Are the Jews the rod of God's inheritance? Ps.

135:4; Isa. 19:25.

36.

Do the Jews today have an earthly king of the

lineage of David ruling over them? If the are Israel then a

Davidic king must be among them somewhere. Ps. 89:27-29

& 35 to 37; Jer. 33:17.

37.

Are the Jews called today through Isaac': (Isaac's

sons, or Saxons) Gen. 35:11; Amos 7:16; Romans 9:7 and

Heb. 11:18.

38.

Will the Jews say they have lost their lineage or

identity? Hos. 1: 9 & 10; 2:6; Isa. 1:3; 42:19; Deut. 32:26;

Jer. 50:6,7; Hosea 8:8 and 9:17.

39.

Do the Jews have a new name today? Isa. 62:2;

65:15; Hosea 1:10; Romans 9:25,26; 1 Pet. 2:10; Acts

11:26. (New Language too - lsa. 28:11.

40.

If the Jews are Israel how can the blessings prom-

ised to specific, and separate tribes in Genesis 48 and 49,

and in Deut. 33 come about? Wouldn't they have to be

separate nations? Note the time of fulfillment: Gen. 49:1.

(Also 1 John 2:18; Acts 2:16,17; i Peter 1:3,5,18 & 20; Jude

17-.19 and Hebrews 11:1 and 2.)

41.

Are the heathen nations aligned against the Jews

only? Joel 3:9; and Psalms 83.

42.

Are the Jews a hidden people? Psalm 83:4 and Isa.

3:9.

43.

Are the Jews described nationally as a great lion?

Gen. 49:9 and Numbers 23:24; 24:9.

( Page 8 )

44

. Did the Jews deliver Jerusalem in 1917? See Luke

21:24; Hag. 2:18, 19 and 22; Lev. 26:18 to 28; Ezek 4:6;

Rev. 2:3 & 12:0-14. These refer to "times" predicted, and

along with many more that are too long to be discussed in

this addendum. However Daniel 12:11 & 12; Psalm 95:10;

Heb. 3:9 & 10 and Matt. 24:34, are of interest of time

element.

45

. Are the Jews the house of Israel and the house of

Judah--two nations and families? Ezek. & Jer. 3:18; 31:31;

33:24.

46.

Are the Jews called "Great?" Gen. 12:2.

47

.

Have the Jews released those in slavery? Isa. 42:7 & 58:6.

48

.

Have the Jews colonized any people? Isa. 35:1; 49:8; Gen.

28:14.

49

.

Are the Jews an Island people? Ise,. 24:14; 41:1; 43:4-10;

49:1,19; and Jer. 23:8; 31:10.

50

.

Do the Jews recognize Jesus as God? (God said Israel

would: Isa. 43:10,12; 52:6; Matt. 1:23; Luke 1:68; i Tim.

3:16; Acts 3:14 and St. John 9:28.

Of the fifty questions concerning the Jews --- a people regarded by so

many as "God's Chosen People." And with more than three times this

many Bible references to these questions I cannot find even one Scripture

to substantiate the people's claim that: "the Jews are God's chosen peo-

ple." Friend, can you??

[OldCoot]

Yes....  

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 (NKJV) “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth. 7 The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples; 8 but because the Lord loves you, and because He would keep the oath which He swore to your fathers, the Lord has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Isaiah 41:8-9 (NKJV) But you, Israel, are My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
The descendants of Abraham My friend.
9 You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth,
And called from its farthest regions,
And said to you,
‘You are My servant,
I have chosen you and have not cast you away:

[n2thelight]

33 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

Most of what they are designed to do will be during the Great Tribulation, via the Two Witnesses and the 144,000.  And while Christianity has spread the message to most of the world, it still has not spread it to all the world.  Even the Bible has not been translated into every language. If you really want to get technical, an angel of God is the one who will proclaim the gospel to the whole world....

Revelation 14:6 (NKJV) Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—

 

19 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

Yes....  

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 (NKJV) “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth. 7 The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples; 8 but because the Lord loves you, and because He would keep the oath which He swore to your fathers, the Lord has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Isaiah 41:8-9 (NKJV) But you, Israel, are My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
The descendants of Abraham My friend.
9 You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth,
And called from its farthest regions,
And said to you,
‘You are My servant,
I have chosen you and have not cast you away:

I don't dispute that,however they are not just Jew's.Your verse in Deut,was before the split.

They became two houses,and again only Judah returned to form that nation state of Israel

i would ask you to read Gen 48

Edited July 9, 2017 by n2thelight

[n2thelight]

In Genesis 48, we see that the blessings passed on by Jacob to Joseph's sons ,are still active to this date. It will be Joseph that shall receive the blessing promises that God gave to Abraham. Abraham passed them to his son Isaac, the promised child by God and given to Abraham and Sarah in Sarah's old age. then Isaac blessed his son Jacob, who is not passing that blessing promise on to the first born of he and his wife Rachel, Joseph.

Then these blessings of the birthright were not given to Esau, Isaac's first born, for he sold them to Jacob. Esau later married daughters of the Hittites, a mixture of Kenite and Nephilim blood, thus causing him to be completely separated from the God given covenant blessings. Now in Jacob's old age these blessings are to be passed on from Jacob to Joseph's two sons equally, and not to Reuben. This withholding of the blessing was because of the sinful violation that Reuben committed by sleeping with his mother, on Jacob's bed.

Joseph will receive the double portion which is the right of the first born, for he was the first born of Jacob's first love, Rachel. We will see also in Genesis forty nine that other blessings will also be given out to the other sons, and those blessings are present even to this day.

 

Genesis 48:13 "And Joseph took the both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him."

It's important to understand what is happening here. The act that is taking place could have caused a great deal of jealousy, had not God prepared the way for Joseph. Joseph was the eleventh born to Jacob, yet had it not been for the deception of Laban, Rachel would have been Jacob's first wife, and Joseph was the firstborn son to Rachel. It was this hatred and jealousy that caused Joseph's brethren to sell Joseph into Egypt in the first place. But it was all in God's plan, as God related to Joseph years before in his dreams.

God is in control, and His Will shall be done, and what is being done here is in the plan of God. The process of passing the birthright on to Joseph, the double portion, is completed by Jacob adopting Joseph's two sons, and each child obtaining the full right of a son to Jacob.

Genesis 48:14 "And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn."

Joseph placed his two sons in the proper place for the blessing to take place, However Jacob crossed his hands over knowingly ["wittingly"] that he would place the firstborn blessing on Ephraim's head, the younger, rather then on Manasseh's head. What was done was no accident, for God had revealed this to Jacob.

Genesis 48:15 "And he blessed Joseph, and said, "God, before Whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God Which fed me all the days of my life long unto this day,"

Genesis 48:16 "The Angel Which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

This legally passes the promises that God gave to Abraham on to the next generation. Those promises of blessings of great wealth, of many children and all the rest that goes along with the Abrahamic Covenant now belong to Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. They have become equal status with all the other sons of Jacob, only they now possess the blessed promises also.

In this documentation, Jacob has adopted Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh to be his own sons. The Angel spoken of here is the same angel that wrestled with Jacob all night before he changed Jacobs name, and blessed him. This same Angel is the Angel that Jacob is calling on to pass the name and the blessing of Jacob, on to Ephraim and Manasseh. It is believed by many scholars that that Ephraim here would become a multi-nation empire, or a confederacy of nations. Where as Manasseh will become one great power.

I believe Ephraim to be Great Britain, and Manasseh to be the United States in these final generations.

https://www.theseason.org/genesis/genesis48.htm

[ARGOSY]

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

But you have yet to answer my question,Yes Israel becoming a state again is a great prophecy,as it signals the generation that will not pass.

Yet you cannot sit here and tell me that ,that nation state of Israel has fulfilled the other prophecies  Israel of scripture were suppose and did do

That nation state of Israel did not spread the gospel around the world,her brother,the Christian nations did.

My question what prophecies has that nation state of Israel fulfilled ,other than becoming a nation again?

Well said.  Israel fulfils Ezekiel 38, a partial regathering whilst still in sin.  At the end of Ezekiel 39 Israel repents and has their full regathering and blessing.  Sure we are to pray for the blessing and repentance of Israel. But I see no reason to regard them with any more awe before the judgement of the armies of Gog than the apostles did before the judgement of the armies of Rome in 70 AD. They knew judgement for evil was coming on Israel in back then and so do we from Joel 2 and Ezekiel 38/39. God will soon send the northern army against Israel and they will surely repent on the Day of the Lord. 

Edited July 9, 2017 by ARGOSY

[Guest Thallasa]

6 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Because they fulfilled the prophecies 

 

Fifty (Bible) Reasons Why The Jews Are

Not Israel

FRED ROBERTSON

Route l Box 497

Finger, Tennessee 38334

When it is declared that the U. S. and Britain and other Nordic nations are

Israelites and the chosen people of God, most of the modern lay churches

call it false and without foundation, but refuse to give any Scriptures to

prove that we are not. They put us on the defensive by demanding proof

of our claims, and in response we give evidence from Scripture, history,

ethnology and heraldry. As a reaction to the usual tactics of our oppo-

nents the order has been reversed and some questions presented for an

answer:

Can those who disagree with us furnish evidence to prove that we are not

Israel, and that the Jews are? No man's answer will suffice. The answer

must come from God's Word so that the issue may be clear.

The modern day church states that the Jew and Israel are one and the

same; also that the U.S.A., Britain and other Nordic nations are Gentile

(in the sense of heathen) nations. If their claim is true, and the Jews are

Israel,

THEY HAVE TO FULFILL EVERY SCRIPTURE WHICH

GOD SAID ISRAEL WOULD FULFILL:

So in answer to my critics in relation to my latest books

"Who Am I?"

I

present the following questions relative to the above mentioned subject.

All these questions emerge from reading God's Word and history.

1.

Have the Jews blessed all the nations of the earth? Gen. 12:3;

22: 18.

( Page 4 )

2.

Are the Jews circumcised in heart? Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Ro-

mans 2:28 and 29; Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:9-11.

3.

Have the Jews ever glorified Christ and has He been

recognized by the Jewish nation? Isa. 41:16; Luke 1:32 and

7:16.

4.

Do the Jews declare that Christ is the Lord God of

Israel of the old Testament? Isa. 43:10 & 12; 44:8; 49:3-6;

52:6; and Acts 1:8.

5.

Do the Jews show forth the praise of Jesus? Isa.

43:21

6.

Have the Jews carried the gospel to all the world

and witnessed for Jesus Christ and held the Bible open?

Gen. 28:14; Isa 43:10; 44:21; and look at Isa. 49:3,6 and

Acts 1:8 again.

7.

Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of

God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isa. 59:21.

8.

Was the New Covenant written only to the Jews?

The bible states that it was made with the House of Israel

and the House of Judah. Jer. 31: 31-33; Heb. 8:8-10; Matt.

26:28.

9.

Are the Jews the sheep of Israel? Ezek. 34:11,12;

Psalm 78:52; 95:1,6,7; Isa. 53:6; John 10:22-27; Matt.

15:24.

10.

Are the Jews the Children of God scattered

abroad? St. John 7:35; 10:16 and 11:52.

( Page 5 )

11.

Is Jesus Christ glorified in the Jews? Isa. 49:3;

Romans 8:29,30; 11:1,2 and 9:4.

12.

Are the Jews the servants of God? Isa. 41:8; 43:8

and 49:3.

13.

Are the Jews a holy nation, a chosen generation, a

royal priesthood, a peculiar people? Ex. 19:5,6; Deut. 14:2

and 7:6; 1 Peter 2:9,10; and 1:1,2.

14.

Are the Jews the great characters mentioned in the

great faith chapter of Hebrews 11? (Not one was a Jew.)

15.

Are the Jews a "righteous nation?" Isaiah 26:2.

16

. Are the Jews bringing forth the fruits of the king-

dom? Hosea 14:8; Matt. 21:43.

17.

Are the Jews kind to strangers? Lev. 19:33,34; Matt.

25:31-46.

18.

Are the Jews called the "sons of the living God?"

Hosea 1:10.

19.

Do the Jews claim to be "not God's people? Hosea

1:10.

20.

Do the Jews have all of God's Word? Deut. 33:4;

Psalm 147:19 &20; Romans 9:3-5.

21.

Are the Jews a great and mighty nation? Genesis

18:18.

22

. Are the Jews today innumerable as the stars of

heaven and as the sand of the seashore? Gen. 22:17; Hosea

1:10.

( Page 6 )

23.

Do the Jews possess the gate of their enemies? Gen.

22:17; 24:60.

24.

Are the Jews a nation and a company of nations?

Gen. 35:11; 48:49.

25.

Will the Jews push all the people together to the

ends of the earth? Deut. 33:17.

26.

Are the Jews above all the people on the face of the

earth? Deut. 7:6; & 12:2; Psalm 135:4; amos 3:2.

27.

Have the Jews ever dwelt alone in a home appoint-

ed by God? Num. 23: 9; 2 Sam. 7 :10; 1 Chron. 17:9; Deut.

29:28; Jer: 16:13 & 3:18; Ezek. 36:24 and Acts 17:26.

28.

Have the Jews a navy or naval power? Num. 24:7;

Isa. 60:5, 9,

29.

Did or will the Jews eat up the nations, their ene-

mies? Num. 24:8.

30.

Are Jews God's battle axe? Num. 24:8,9; Isa.

41:15,16; Jer. 51:20-23.

31.

Are the Jews feared by all nations? Deut. 2:25;

28:10.

32.

Are the Jews a mighty nation, crushing and grind-

ing to powder all who oppose them? Matt. 21:44 and Daniel

2:44.

33.

Have the Jews inherited the gentiles? Isa. 54:3.

34.

Is it possible to count 1/4 of the Jews, or all of

them? Num. 23:10.

( Page 7 )

35.

Are the Jews the rod of God's inheritance? Ps.

135:4; Isa. 19:25.

36.

Do the Jews today have an earthly king of the

lineage of David ruling over them? If the are Israel then a

Davidic king must be among them somewhere. Ps. 89:27-29

& 35 to 37; Jer. 33:17.

37.

Are the Jews called today through Isaac': (Isaac's

sons, or Saxons) Gen. 35:11; Amos 7:16; Romans 9:7 and

Heb. 11:18.

38.

Will the Jews say they have lost their lineage or

identity? Hos. 1: 9 & 10; 2:6; Isa. 1:3; 42:19; Deut. 32:26;

Jer. 50:6,7; Hosea 8:8 and 9:17.

39.

Do the Jews have a new name today? Isa. 62:2;

65:15; Hosea 1:10; Romans 9:25,26; 1 Pet. 2:10; Acts

11:26. (New Language too - lsa. 28:11.

40.

If the Jews are Israel how can the blessings prom-

ised to specific, and separate tribes in Genesis 48 and 49,

and in Deut. 33 come about? Wouldn't they have to be

separate nations? Note the time of fulfillment: Gen. 49:1.

(Also 1 John 2:18; Acts 2:16,17; i Peter 1:3,5,18 & 20; Jude

17-.19 and Hebrews 11:1 and 2.)

41.

Are the heathen nations aligned against the Jews

only? Joel 3:9; and Psalms 83.

42.

Are the Jews a hidden people? Psalm 83:4 and Isa.

3:9.

43.

Are the Jews described nationally as a great lion?

Gen. 49:9 and Numbers 23:24; 24:9.

( Page 8 )

44

. Did the Jews deliver Jerusalem in 1917? See Luke

21:24; Hag. 2:18, 19 and 22; Lev. 26:18 to 28; Ezek 4:6;

Rev. 2:3 & 12:0-14. These refer to "times" predicted, and

along with many more that are too long to be discussed in

this addendum. However Daniel 12:11 & 12; Psalm 95:10;

Heb. 3:9 & 10 and Matt. 24:34, are of interest of time

element.

45

. Are the Jews the house of Israel and the house of

Judah--two nations and families? Ezek. & Jer. 3:18; 31:31;

33:24.

46.

Are the Jews called "Great?" Gen. 12:2.

47

.

Have the Jews released those in slavery? Isa. 42:7 & 58:6.

48

.

Have the Jews colonized any people? Isa. 35:1; 49:8; Gen.

28:14.

49

.

Are the Jews an Island people? Ise,. 24:14; 41:1; 43:4-10;

49:1,19; and Jer. 23:8; 31:10.

50

.

Do the Jews recognize Jesus as God? (God said Israel

would: Isa. 43:10,12; 52:6; Matt. 1:23; Luke 1:68; i Tim.

3:16; Acts 3:14 and St. John 9:28.

Of the fifty questions concerning the Jews --- a people regarded by so

many as "God's Chosen People." And with more than three times this

many Bible references to these questions I cannot find even one Scripture

to substantiate the people's claim that: "the Jews are God's chosen peo-

ple." Friend, can you??

I think that you have mistaken my questioning "the English people " as being the chosen people because  it is certainly  not England in my opinion . If it is not the Jews , one of the first in line to   have the right to  claim that , would be Ireland , who were not only Christians long before England , but since they became Christian after ST. Patrick ,took the gospel to Europe, and then the world ,and have never invaded and destroyed like England has .

 

[OldCoot]

9 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 

I don't dispute that,however they are not just Jew's.Your verse in Deut,was before the split.

They became two houses,and again only Judah returned to form that nation state of Israel

i would ask you to read Gen 48

 

And many posts later, and you still cannot address the 2 Chronicles passages that show that those of the 10 northern tribes migrated south to join with the southern tribes of Judah.  

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, Thallasa said:

I think that you have mistaken my questioning "the English people " as being the chosen people because  it is certainly  not England in my opinion . If it is not the Jews , one of the first in line to   have the right to  claim that , would be Ireland , who were not only Christians long before England , but since they became Christian after ST. Patrick ,took the gospel to Europe, and then the world ,and have never invaded and destroyed like England has .

 

Christ uncle visisted there,expound more later,not gd on phone.