Ogner Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 What Jesus mean when He said: "Matthew 5: 21,22 & 39-41"? In Matthew 5:39 we find Jesus saying this: “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.” In Matthew 5:21,22 Jesus' teaching on this subject: "who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell.". What do you think? And you don't see a contradiction in that? We must judge all those who is angry with a brother and who insults a brother or we must not resist an evil person and forgive all those who insults us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 No,where do you see any contradiction? There is none,,,,,,,Jesus reaffirms what He says over & over & over,,,,,,,,,Being angry is not encouraged,,,,,but to be forgiving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) The judgment comes from God - not us. There is no contradiction. Edited May 27, 2016 by Jayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I see no contradiction... The word judge can have different meanings, one would be to make a rational assessment of someone the other would be to condemn the person... we are not to condemn people, that's God's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jayne said: The judgment comes from God - not us. There is no contradiction. To whom Jesus said Matthew 5: 21,22 and John: 7:24: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." ? If we choose not to judge righteous judgment others we will be judged with the same measure we use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 21 minutes ago, Teditis said: I see no contradiction... The word judge can have different meanings, one would be to make a rational assessment of someone the other would be to condemn the person... we are not to condemn people, that's God's job. Judgement. One of the most misunderstood things about Christianity, and the number one reason the modern churches are falling from grace; refusing to help the brothers and sisters turn from sinful ways. Jesus does not say do not judge. Jesus tells us how to judge; first be sure we are not guilty of the same sin (remove the plank from our eye) so that we may clearly help our brothers and sisters in understanding and repenting for their sin (so that [we] may see clearly to remove the speck from our brother's eye). You're not telling your brothers and sisters about their sin and helping them repent? That's just as much of a sin, as it goes against what Jesus taught. What about 1 Corinthians 6:1-6 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ogner said: To whom Jesus said Matthew 5: 21,22 and John: 7:24: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." ? If we choose not to judge righteous judgment others we will be judged with the same measure we use. You are confusing the word judgment in John 7 with something punitive or for correction's sake. The Pharisees were mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath and they "judged" him to be a sinner. That means they discerned or evaluated his status and found him lacking. They were wrong, of course. Jesus told them to stop looking on the outside and to "judge" - evaluate, discern, test - correctly. They should have been evaluating his good works, miracles, preaching, teaching, and sinlessness and they should have "judged" him to be the Son of the God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 27 minutes ago, kwikphilly said: No,where do you see any contradiction? There is none,,,,,,,Jesus reaffirms what He says over & over & over,,,,,,,,,Being angry is not encouraged,,,,,but to be forgiving I think in Matthew 5:39 Jesus say about litigation. 1) It is a particularly arbitrary form of individual justice, whereby the men of a family, clan, group or village act as judge, jury and executioner. 2) If you are a victim of a crime you must go to court. 3) And if plaintiff wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. Requires tunic - plaintiff Give him coat must - defendant Therefore, Jesus says: Matthew 5:25,26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeavesSeeds Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4&version=MSG;AMP;NKJV;TLB (several translations at biblegateway, all in agreement with all God's Word) The Old Way Has to Go 17-19 And so I insist—and God backs me up on this—that there be no going along with the crowd, the empty-headed, mindless crowd. They’ve refused for so long to deal with God that they’ve lost touch not only with God but with reality itself. They can’t think straight anymore. Feeling no pain, they let themselves go in sexual obsession, addicted to every sort of perversion. 20-24 But that’s no life for you. You learned Christ! My assumption is that you have paid careful attention to him, been well instructed in the truth precisely as we have it in Jesus. Since, then, we do not have the excuse of ignorance, everything—and I do mean everything—connected with that old way of life has to go. It’s rotten through and through. Get rid of it! And then take on an entirely new way of life—a God-fashioned life, a life renewed from the inside and working itself into your conduct as God accurately reproduces his character in you. 25 What this adds up to, then, is this: no more lies, no more pretense. Tell your neighbor the truth. In Christ’s body we’re all connected to each other, after all. When you lie to others, you end up lying to yourself. 26-27 Go ahead and be angry. You do well to be angry—but don’t use your anger as fuel for revenge. And don’t stay angry. Don’t go to bed angry. Don’t give the Devil that kind of foothold in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 27, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ogner said: Judgement. One of the most misunderstood things about Christianity, and the number one reason the modern churches are falling from grace; refusing to help the brothers and sisters turn from sinful ways. Jesus does not say do not judge. Jesus tells us how to judge; first be sure we are not guilty of the same sin (remove the plank from our eye) so that we may clearly help our brothers and sisters in understanding and repenting for their sin (so that [we] may see clearly to remove the speck from our brother's eye). You're not telling your brothers and sisters about their sin and helping them repent? That's just as much of a sin, as it goes against what Jesus taught. No one in this thread has said not to tell people about sin or not to help them turn from sin. Your OP was about people being angry without cause being under judgment contradicting Jesus word's about turning the other cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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