Steward George Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,787 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,483 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted June 4, 2016 Rom 11:28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,338 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,539 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, George said: Yeshua (Jesus) is the owner of the ministry -- I'm merely the steward. Yes I do live in Israel and yes we're very active in the land! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 7 hours ago, LeavesSeeds said: IF you believe Jesus, then you believe who He sent also. If you reject who the Father sends, you reject the Father also. I believe 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeavesSeeds Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2016 Ogner, do 49 minutes ago, Ogner said: I believe 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." you mean someone tried to prevent you from speaking to the gentiles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 4 hours ago, George said: Rom 11:28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 2 Peter 3:14-16, " Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 14 hours ago, Ezra said: You said: As I understand it, they're trying to tell that one fine day all the Jews will believe in Jesus Christ and will be saved collectively because they is the Jews. This is true according to Bible prophecy, but it will happen only at the Second Coming of Christ. Please study all the prophecies pertaining to the redemption and restoration of Israel. Until that time the Jews do not believe in Jesus because of God. That is definitely not the case. God is not preventing any Jews today from believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. So between the first and second comings of Christ, all the Jews have the entire Bible, and they can all be saved if all will repent and believe. But instead, there are relatively few who believe (these are the Messianic Jews). That is certainly not because God does not want them to believe. As long as they only read the OT and ignore the NT, they remain blind. But when they turn to the NT and then turn to the Lord, the veil is removed (2 Cor 3). I would only add.....Christian Jew's also. Many Jew's yet remain in Churches. Most of the historical period of which you speak, the first and second coming were Christian Jew's. Messianics are a newer movement among Jew's. Christian Jew's are Jew's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 4, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Joline said: I would only add.....Christian Jew's also. Many Jew's yet remain in Churches. Most of the historical period of which you speak, the first and second coming were Christian Jew's. Messianics are a newer movement among Jew's. Christian Jew's are Jew's too. Sure. I call them Hebrew Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 5, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 On 04.06.2016 at 2:57 PM, LeavesSeeds said: Ogner, do you mean someone tried to prevent you from speaking to the gentiles ? I mean I believe Paul too if he does not contradict Jesus. For example Titus 1:10,11, "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blevn1 Posted June 5, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 50 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/26/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2016 On 6/2/2016 at 2:49 PM, LeavesSeeds said: No. How many gave up everything to be Jesus disciple ? Only those who are willing to give up everything for the sake of Christ should go preaching His word. Its kind of like saying remove the plank from your own eye so you can see to remove the speck from your brothers. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeavesSeeds Posted June 5, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2016 Yes. 2 minutes ago, blevn1 said: Only those who are willing to give up everything for the sake of Christ should go preaching His word. Its kind of like saying remove the plank from your own eye so you can see to remove the speck from your brothers. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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