What Is Christian Unity?

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, Hoddie said:

Then how come the tens of thousands different Protestant/non-Denominational/non-Catholic churches do not interpret Scripture the same? You call that unified? I call that complete chaos, something the Holy Spirit is incapable of!

not every group that claims to be Christian actually is--- when you look at the large number of groups- you also have to include all the various Catholic groups to--- as I said- not everyone that claims to be Christian is-- true Christian churches have unity of the spirit

[HAZARD]

27 minutes ago, woundeddog said:

not every group that claims to be Christian actually is--- when you look at the large number of groups- you also have to include all the various Catholic groups to--- as I said- not everyone that claims to be Christian is-- true Christian churches have unity of the spirit

Roman Catholics embrace mystery, hierarchy, rituals, liturgy, structure, and more symbolic actions in worship than any other church. These mysteries, rituals and symbolic actions in worship differ from country to country, and from church to church.

Protestants, on the other hand, developed worship services that are plain and straightforward, focusing entirely on Scripture alone.

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, Hoddie said:

So are you claiming Erza that all these various distinctive groups proclaim and teach from the bible exactly the same?

No, what I am claiming is that:

1. The allegation that there are 30-50,000 Christian sects is baloney, since there are less than 30 distinct groups.

2. Almost all of them believe that the Protestant Holy Bible is the Word of God.

There is no denying that there are significant differences in how they interpret Scripture, but that is also true for the EOC and the RCC (and related Catholic churches).

Your primary goal should be to (a) identify the false teachings of the RCC and (2) find a church which is closest to the New Testament church pattern.

[RustyAngeL]

33 minutes ago, Ezra said:

No, what I am claiming is that:

1. The allegation that there are 30-50,000 Christian sects is baloney, since there are less than 30 distinct groups.

2. Almost all of them believe that the Protestant Holy Bible is the Word of God.

There is no denying that there are significant differences in how they interpret Scripture, but that is also true for the EOC and the RCC (and related Catholic churches).

Your primary goal should be to (a) identify the false teachings of the RCC and (2) find a church which is closest to the New Testament church pattern.

Well stated Ezra, we are here to speak and spread the Truth.

[warrior12]

5 hours ago, Hoddie said:

To answer this I'd first have to ask you...... would you admit that the Bible is infallible because the Biblical authors were given the gift of infallibility? (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, Jude.) Would you admit all of them wrote infallible truth? Would you insist that the Bible alone is our authority because the Bible is infallible?

Peace

Basically, yes and the Holy Spirit.

[Hoddie]

14 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Millions of Catholics world wide, Where is the unity here?

Wrong again Haz..... there are Billions of Catholics world wide. Actually 1.2 Billion, not millions. There is only one Catholic Church in communion with Rome and its bishop, the Pope. Anyone who belongs to a Christian group that is not in union with the Pope is not part of the Church founded by Christ. The Eastern Orthodox do, however, have valid sacraments because of their linage of apostolic succession. But since the great schism of 1054 they do not recognize the authority of the Pope and therefore lack the fullness of Christ's Church. In the future Haz, it would behoove you to get your information from an official Catholic site instead of an anti-Catholic site to save yourself the embarrasment of being corrected so often reguarding Catholicism.

Peace

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[Hoddie]

14 hours ago, woundeddog said:

14 hours ago, woundeddog said:

not every group that claims to be Christian actually is---

Could you give a list of who actually is and is not?

when you look at the large number of groups- you also have to include all the various Catholic groups to---

Just because some church has the word 'catholic' in their name does not mean they are Catholic! Check out my last post to Haz.

as I said- not everyone that claims to be Christian is-- true Christian churches have unity of the spirit

And by who's or what authority determines who is a true Christian, and who is not? On the same note, by who's or what authority determines which 'true Christian' churches have the unity of the Spirit and who does not? You being a Bible Only beleiver, could you show the Book Chapter and verse or verses that states this?

Peace

 

[Hoddie]

14 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Roman Catholics embrace mystery, hierarchy, rituals, liturgy, structure, and more symbolic actions in worship than any other church. These mysteries, rituals and symbolic actions in worship differ from country to country, and from church to church.

If you beleive this to be true, back it up! You've been proven wrong so many times in the past Haz, your creditability is lacking if non-existence!

Protestants, on the other hand, developed worship services that are plain and straightforward, focusing entirely on Scripture alone.

Which is in its self..... unbiblical. (sola scriptura)

　

Peace

[Hoddie]

13 hours ago, Ezra said:

No, what I am claiming is that:

1. The allegation that there are 30-50,000 Christian sects is baloney, since there are less than 30 distinct groups.

Proven incorrect back on page 10. Sorry.

2. Almost all of them believe that the Protestant Holy Bible is the Word of God.

Almost all of them??? Who determines the ones that dont?

There is no denying that there are significant differences in how they interpret Scripture,

Okay..... without any central authority within Protestantism, who determines which of the tens of thousands different Protestant//Non-Denominational sects interprets Scripture correctly and who does not?

but that is also true for the EOC and the RCC (and related Catholic churches).

Are we to just take your word for it, or do you have something to back up your claims?

FYI....Within the Catholic Church ... Canonical rites, which are of equal dignity, enjoy the same rights, and are under the same obligations. Although the particular churches possess their own hierarchy, differ in liturgical and ecclesiastical discipline, and possess their own spiritual heritage, they are all entrusted to the pastoral government of the Roman pontiff, the divinely appointed successor of St. Peter in the Primacy.

Your primary goal should be to (a) identify the false teachings of the RCC

Something you have failed to do

and (2) find a church which is closest to the New Testament church pattern.

And which one of the thousands upon thousands of different Protestant/Bible Only churches is closest to the New Testament church pattern? Yours? The one across the street or down the block from yours?

　

Peace

[Hoddie]

13 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

Well stated Ezra, we are here to speak and spread the Truth.

Intersting statement Rusty. As Erza stated, "there is no denying that there are significant differences  in how they interpret Scripture."  Now if I were to go back in the archives of this forum I would find many disagreements/interpretations of Scripture among the non-Catholics, maybe even between Erza and yourself.  So my question to you is.....  Who among the all non-Catholic, sola scripturists, Bible Only  beleivers within this forum are speaking and spreading the truth, and whom is not?   You, Erza, Haz,  ect. ect. ?   Peace