Guest shiloh357 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Flsnookman said: I agree that baptism is not needed for salvation (the thief on the cross is one example). But to say no catholics are saved is simply wrong. God did the hard part, all we need do is confess (once) repent (once) and believe on Jesus and what He did at the cross and we will be saved. God can use the rcc or any other means He sees fit to save people, your agreement is not needed. I know many catholics who are saved, I even know a couple baptists and at least one lutheran who are saved. (ok the last two were humor). But I do know many saved and many deceived catholics the same as I know many saved and many deceived born again Christians. In fact I see people claiming Christianity in these very threads who still think works are needed to gain or maintain salvation. Though they be misguided does that mean they are not saved? A point to ponder. No, it is not wrong to say that Roman Catholics are not saved. Because you cannot get the true Gospel of Jesus from the RCC. If any RC's are saved it is because they got the true Gospel outside of the RCC. The RCC is a Christless cult. If someone is trusting their works for salvation, no matter who they are, they are not saved. Salvation is in Jesus alone. A cradle to grave RC who doesn't here the Gospel from some place else, will not get it the RCC and will end up in Hell as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flsnookman Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 216 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 165 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 Well shiloh you can have a million posts but that does not mean you get to decide who is saved and who is not nor do you get to dictate to God how,when or where He chooses to save anyone. Being of Irish decent I see the hatred from both sides, from catholics and protestants so busy hating one another and trying to prove the other wrong that they both miss out on following the 2 commands Jesus left us. While they are busy making ugly accusations and walking in the flesh a new or undecided person sees this and is driven away from Jesus. It is ugly, it is fear and hate driven, it is sad, and it is very,very unChristian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 5 hours ago, shiloh357 said: No, it is not wrong to say that Roman Catholics are not saved. Because you cannot get the true Gospel of Jesus from the RCC. If any RC's are saved it is because they got the true Gospel outside of the RCC. The RCC is a Christless cult. If someone is trusting their works for salvation, no matter who they are, they are not saved. Salvation is in Jesus alone. A cradle to grave RC who doesn't here the Gospel from some place else, will not get it the RCC and will end up in Hell as a result. That shows a total lack of understanding about the RCC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 On 8/17/2016 at 7:06 AM, southrnbygrace said: My problem with once saved, always saved is that it puts forth a teaching that once someone accepts Christ, they can live their life as a child killer, rapist, drunkard, etc etc and never have to worry because they'll still go to heaven since they were 'saved' when they were young. That is a totally false and distorted view, and possibly even a misrepresentation of the doctrine of eternal security. Salvation means "denying ungodliness and worldly lusts" and living "soberly, righteously, and godly" in this present world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Teditis said: That shows a total lack of understanding about the RCC... There is absolutely no question that the RCC has a salvation of FAITH + WORKS + SACRAMENTS + MEMBERSHIP IN THE RCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Teditis said: That shows a total lack of understanding about the RCC... Where is your proof, Teditis? ????? MARY THE MEDIATRIX ? TRANSUBSTANTIAON - COMMUNION? SACRIMENTS? PENANCE? PURGATORY? VENIAL SINS? THE POPE'S AUTHORITY? Here is more about "The Virgin Mary". To begin, we can say without doubt that the title "Mediatrix" is justified, and applies to all graces for certain, by her cooperation in acquiring all graces on Calvary. The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), said: ... in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, Mary cooperated in the work of the Savior, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, Behold said: Where is your proof, Teditis? ????? MARY THE MEDIATRIX ? TRANSUBSTANTIAON - COMMUNION? SACRIMENTS? PENANCE? PURGATORY? VENIAL SINS? THE POPE'S AUTHORITY? Here is more about "Mary". To begin, we can say without doubt that the title "Mediatrix" is justified, and applies to all graces for certain, by her cooperation in acquiring all graces on Calvary. The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), said: ... in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Savior, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace. What's the Gospel of Salvation... what does it take to be saved? The RCC teaches these things but adds to it... still, they have the basics down. Most don't follow all the doctrines that come out of the Vatican... they live humble lives and trust on Jesus for their Salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, Teditis said: The RCC teaches these things but adds to it... still, they have the basics down. The RCC teaches that Jesus alone is not the way to heaven, but that He has a helper, Teditis, = both Mary and Transubstantiation. But you refer to this as a "little adding"........= C'MON !! Is ALL that "salvation"? See, the issue is, no one who is caught in a cult, wants to be honest. They want to finesse the truth, as you are trying to do. However, Let's get REAL and take away "priest confession", "sacraments, MARY, Transubstantiation, and the The POPE, and what is left of the RCC? = NOTHING, unless you think that "prayers for the dead" , purgatory, and venial sins, make up a religion, and in the case of the RCC, its all man made up baloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Behold said: Once a believer believes they can lose their salvation, they have "fallen from Grace" Galatians 5:4. They have also become Galatians 1:8 That is you. No, it is not me at all. You need to stop making this thread personal. Get all the scriptures on the subject not just choose one or two here and there? Gal 1:8, Teaches that the gospel had not only been preached to them, but they had received it and all the benefits therefore, any removal from grace V.6 or fall from grace (5:4) was backsliding from the gospel. That falling from grace is possible is clear here (Gal. 5:4; 1:6-8; 2:21; 3:1-5; 4:9-10, 19: Acts 13:43; 2 Cor. 6:1; Heb. 12:15; Jude 4). Read these Scriptures, you might learn something for your own good; Gal. 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Gal. 1:6-8, I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7, Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9, As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal. 3:1-5, V. 1, O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2, This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3, Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4, Have ye suffered so many1 things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5, He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal. 4:9-10, V.9, But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10, Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Acts 13:43, 43, Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 2 Cor. 6-1, We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. Heb. 12: 15, Looking diligently lest any man fail4 of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Edited August 19, 2016 by HAZARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted August 19, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2016 43 minutes ago, HAZARD said: No, it is not me at all. You need to stop making this thread personal. Get all the scriptures on the subject not just choose one or two here and there? Hazard, its Odd that a post that was not sent to you, you perceive as "personal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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