BlueMinou Posted August 14, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, Behold said: You are obviously trusting in works (abiding) (enduring) (taking communion) (confession), as the way to keep yourself saved. Instead, trust in the one who died for you, put yourself in His Grace, as once you finally do that, you wont have to continue to both teach Galatians 1:8 "works" as salvation, as well as try to save yourself by y0ur works, which by the way, isnt possible. You keep insisting that striving to walk by the Spirit and not gratify the flesh somehow earns salvation. It doesn't; I don't believe The Catholic faith teaches that. Baptism is the means to be reborn again, yet by choosing to be baptized, you aren't earning salvation. Baptism is merely, by faith, obeying a command from the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted August 14, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2016 30 minutes ago, BlueMinou said: The Catholic faith teaches that. Baptism is the means to be reborn again, yet by choosing to be baptized, you aren't earning salvation. Baptism is merely, by faith, obeying a command from the Lord. You think that the city water supply saves a soul? Your theology is an insult to the Blood of Christ that was shed to save us. Maybe you need to speak to the "other" thief on the cross who Jesus took to paradise with Him, and never baptized this person in water. Maybe you need to learn that the teaching of "baptismal regeneration" is a lie from hell, is a Blood Atonement denying blasphemy, and its taught by a cult that is no better. So, now i understand why you never talk about the Cross or the blood of Christ or being born again, with regards to REDEMPTION..... You actually think that the water from the city water supply, that ither sprinked you or covered your face has some mystical power to save you. Thats truly unfortunate theology, and its truly not the way that God saves and redeems a soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2016 1 John 2:27 says the anointing teaches you all things and you have no need for anyone to teach you. The spirit of God gives us understanding of the text. Of course bible teachers are good. And can help us to understand faster. I like the Catholic church but don't agree you need the Catholic church to give you understanding.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 25 minutes ago, Behold said: You think that the city water supply saves a soul? Your theology is an insult to the Blood of Christ that was shed to save us. Maybe you need to speak to the "other" thief on the cross who Jesus took to paradise with Him, and never baptized this person in water. Maybe you need to learn that the teaching of "baptismal regeneration" is a lie from hell, is a Blood Atonement denying blasphemy, and its taught by a cult that is no better. So, now i understand why you never talk about the Cross or the blood of Christ or being born again, with regards to REDEMPTION..... You actually think that the water from the city water supply, that ither sprinked you or covered your face has some mystical power to save you. Thats truly unfortunate theology, and its truly not the way that God saves and redeems a soul. Behold, I have never said God is limited to Baptism only; Neither has the Catholic Church(but I sense this fact escaped you because of ignorance). The Catholic Church has always taught that the thief was saved and has always taught that Baptism is the normal means to received into the Church. The new testament literally says "Baptism saves you" (1 Peter 3:21). Are you disagreeing with Peter? We are baptized into Christ's death(Romans 6:3) for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38). Jesus commands people to be baptized(Matt 28:19) and to be born again, one needs to be baptized(John 3:5). Baptismal Regeneration is not only biblical, it's christian and a teaching taught by Jesus himself and commanded to be observed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2016 Behold baptism is taught in the bible as part of salvation. The blood redeems us. The holy spirit regenerates us. Baptism is sign of entry into Christ. All bibical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 28 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: 1 John 2:27 says the anointing teaches you all things and you have no need for anyone to teach you. The spirit of God gives us understanding of the text. Of course bible teachers are good. And can help us to understand faster. I like the Catholic church but don't agree you need the Catholic church to give you understanding.. We have 30,000+ denominations that are not of the same mind on essential issues. The Catholic Church is not divided in their beliefs. God is not a God of dissention and division. Consider this: The Catholic Church is the church that Jesus established; It is a historical fact. Jesus said the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it; Paul himself claimed it was the pillar of truth. The Bible is a Catholic book, put together by catholic bishops with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.(As I understand it; I'd need to review what the Catholic Church teaches about this just to be sure. I'm trying to recall this by memory). Simply, if we can trust the Catholic Church to put together the New Testament and the Bible as we have it, it is safe to trust them to be guided by the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. After all, the bishops are the successors of the apostles. Here is something to consider: Luther, Calvin, Wycliff condemned contraception in unison with the Roman Catholic Church. Yet today, most, if not all, protestant churches allow contraception and accept it. Doesn't that raise a red flag and alarm you in the slightest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2016 Blueminou I don't think the waters of baptism regenerates you. Titus 3 says we are saved by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the holy spirit. Renewing means same as born again of the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2016 The Catholic church was not the primitive church of the Apostles. The Apostles wrote the scriptures. Not the Catholic church. Peter was not the rock Christ was refering to. He called Peter a small stone he said his church would be founded on a rock .The rock was himself. The cornerstone. Peter was a stone part of the foundation as was all the Apostles and Prophets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted August 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, BlueMinou said: Consider this: The Catholic Church is the church that Jesus established If you get Baptized by a Roman Catholic Priest, you are Roman Catholic---- now think about this~~ who Baptized Jesus? John, the Baptist-----so what does that make Jesus???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 15, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 55 minutes ago, woundeddog said: If you get Baptized by a Roman Catholic Priest, you are Roman Catholic---- now think about this~~ who Baptized Jesus? John, the Baptist-----so what does that make Jesus???? "I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel." - John The Baptist. "And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 19:3-5 The written New Testament clearly tells us that those baptized under John were not baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus---and were then baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus。。 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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