Ogner Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 11 hours ago, nebula said: I only said that what you are saying reminded me of such. Why you said it? It's not right, and it's not fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 11 hours ago, ayin jade said: Yet paul in the bible identified as a jew, as a roman and as a believer in Jesus totally sold out on the Lord. (Ga.6:12-15) + For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (1Co.2:2) + Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, (Php.3:8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 10 hours ago, shiloh357 said: The Latin word for religion actually means, " to bind." It is not a reference to pagan worship necessarily, but can apply to any religion. > The Latin word for religion actually means, " to bind." That's not exactly true. The word "religion" is translated from Latin as " to bind" but In the first century the word "religion" meant pagan worship. > It is not a reference to pagan worship necessarily, but can apply to any religion. That's right, so the translation is incorrect. For example, Acts 17:22: σταθεὶς δὲ ὁ Παυ̃λος ἐν μέσω̨ του̃ ’Αρείου Πάγου ἔφη ἄνδρες ’Αθηναι̃οι κατὰ πάντα ὡς δεισιδαιμονεστέρου ὑμα̃ς θεωρω̃ NIV: Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. ASV: And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things I perceive that ye are very religious. NET: So Paul stood before the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I see that you are very religious in all respects. It's the correct word. The word "religion" in Greek means "δεισιδαιμονεστέρου". The word "religion" in James 1:27 is not the same as the word "religion" in Acts 17:22. The word "religion" in James 1:27 it's more like "piousness" or "godliness" The correct translation is "If any man seem to be devout, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's godliness is vain. Pure godliness and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictions, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. " James 1:26,27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 10 hours ago, Butero said: Religion in and of itself is not bad. It can be if we are speaking of false religions, but in the way it is used in James, it is a good thing. I use the Authorized King James Version Bible or the 1611 King James Bible, which I fully trust to be accurate. I am King James only, but I do use a Greek and Hebrew Dictionary to look up definitions from the original language. In this case, it was Strong's Dictionary, which to me is the most reliable. Vines says it means religious worship, especially the ceremonial service of religion. See the text above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 44 minutes ago, Ogner said: > The Latin word for religion actually means, " to bind." That's not exactly true. The word "religion" is translated from Latin as " to bind" but In the first century the word "religion" meant pagan worship. > It is not a reference to pagan worship necessarily, but can apply to any religion. That's right, so the translation is incorrect. For example, Acts 17:22: σταθεὶς δὲ ὁ Παυ̃λος ἐν μέσω̨ του̃ ’Αρείου Πάγου ἔφη ἄνδρες ’Αθηναι̃οι κατὰ πάντα ὡς δεισιδαιμονεστέρου ὑμα̃ς θεωρω̃ NIV: Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. ASV: And Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus, and said, Ye men of Athens, in all things I perceive that ye are very religious. NET: So Paul stood before the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I see that you are very religious in all respects. It's the correct word. The word "religion" in Greek means "δεισιδαιμονεστέρου". The word "religion" in James 1:27 is not the same as the word "religion" in Acts 17:22. The word "religion" in James 1:27 it's more like "piousness" or "godliness" The correct translation is "If any man seem to be devout, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's godliness is vain. Pure godliness and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictions, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. " James 1:26,27 You are confusing the translation of the Latin word with the application of the Greek word. Christianity is a religion, but it is not just a religion. It is a relationship with God. At the same time, we have rituals and customs and liturgies and that is consistent with how we understand a formal religion to behave. One cannot be saved through the religion, only through Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Ogner said: Why you said it? It's not right, and it's not fair to me. I said it because I believe your view of things here is wrong. Genetically, I am a mixture of Western European, Eastern European, Irish, and slight traces of other ethnicities. Becoming a Christian did not and cannot change that. The genes are still there! If you were to take a genetics test like I did, your results would also show particular earthly ethnicities. Nationally I am an American, just as you are - I am assuming by your profile - Lithuanian. Unless you sign documents renouncing your citizenship, you will always legally be Lithuanian. Culturally, I am a central-northeast American. I grew up in this part of the world, my speech, lingo, behaviors, likes and dislikes, perceptions, affections, etc., were all molded by being raised in this culture. That did not just go away when I became a Christian. I've never seen anyone lose their culture when they became a Christian. Have you? Gnosticism took some Scriptures and interpreted them to mean that because the natural world is evil, they rejected associations with the natural world. When you are saying that being a Christians means you are no longer any ethnicity or nationality or culture, it sounds to me like the exact same mentality. A person who is genetically and culturally born a Jew will always be a Jew. A Jew can have a converted faith from modern Judaism to faith in their Messiah Jesus and still be a Jew! A mixed European-American can accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and will still be a mixed European-American genetically and culturally. That does not go away! And God never asked us to deny our genetics nor nationality nor culture, only who we worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 9, 2016 13 hours ago, Ogner said: It's different. Ethnicity is subjective, not scientific. Gender is objectively and scientific. This is very incorrect. A genetics test with 23 and Me, ancestry.com, or other such test will show you that ethnicity is in your DNA. It is very, very scientific, and is being used around the world by people tracing relations and ancestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Ogner said: (Ga.6:12-15) + For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (1Co.2:2) + Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, (Php.3:8) Acts 16:37 - Paul told the police, "Even though we are Roman citizens, they beat us publicly without first finding us guilty of a crime, and they threw us into prison. And now they want to send us away secretly? No way! They themselves will have to come and escort us out." Acts 22:27 - The commander went to Paul and demanded, "Tell me! Are you a Roman citizen?" He said, "Yes." Acts 21:39 - Paul answered, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Please let me speak to the people.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 2 hours ago, nebula said: This is very incorrect. A genetics test with 23 and Me, ancestry.com, or other such test will show you that ethnicity is in your DNA. It is very, very scientific, and is being used around the world by people tracing relations and ancestors. You're a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ogner said: You're a racist. Beware of Kafkatrapping "The term "kafkatrapping" describes a logical fallacy that is popular within gender feminism, racial politics and other ideologies of victimhood. It occurs when you are accused of a thought crime such as sexism, racism or homophobia. You respond with an honest denial, which is then used as further confirmation of your guilt. You are now trapped in a circular and unfalsifiable argument; no one who is accused can be innocent because the structure of kafkatrapping precludes that possibility. "The term derives from Franz Kafka's novel The Trial in which a nondescript bank clerk named Josef K. is arrested; no charges are ever revealed to the character or to the reader. Josef is prosecuted by a bizarre and tyrannical court of unknown authority and he is doomed by impenetrable red tape. In the end, Josef is abducted by two strange men and inexplicably executed by being stabbed through the heart. The Trial is Kafka's comment on totalitarian governments, like the Soviet Union, in which justice is twisted into a bitter, horrifying parody of itself and serves only those in charge. "Kafkatrapping twists reason and truth into self-parodies that serve victimhood ideologues who wish to avoid the evidence and reasoned arguments upon which truth rests. The term appears to have originated in a 2010 article written by author and open source software advocate Eric S. Raymond. He opens by acknowledging the worth of equality before the law and of treating others with respect. But, he notes, "[g]ood causes sometimes have bad consequences." One such consequence is that tactics used to raise consciousness can veer "into the creepy and pathological, borrowing the least sane features of religious evangelism."' http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/wendy-mcelroy-beware-of-kafkatrapping/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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