woundeddog Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted October 12, 2016 10 hours ago, Steve_S said: Please let's remember to keep it civil here in this discussion. I have not taken action to remove anyone from the thread, but things are getting a bit too personal. It is always best to remember to debate the subject and not the person. I will review my posts and if prayerfully I find anything that might have been construed as a personal assault I will amend it-- its not my intention to resort to name calling or slamming another individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 8 hours ago, kwikphilly said: if you are just like me then you are simply "whosover" John 3:16“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” IMO, the problem is understanding the use of the English word "believe". Please refer to the new thread comin' up shortly ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) On 10/8/2016 at 8:50 PM, Judas Machabeus said: Woundeddog, you can use inflamitory language (dragging infants) all you want. Okay reviewing my posts it seems this as viewed by Judaes was an objectionable post-- I could have restated it as " infants carried down the aisle by God parents." Edited October 12, 2016 by woundeddog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) On 10/8/2016 at 8:50 PM, Judas Machabeus said: computer acting up- his wasnt a post- sorry Edited October 12, 2016 by woundeddog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Kwick, i don't take an person, church or religion at their word. When a claim is made I go to the claimants source to understand their point of view. Than I weigh it against an opposing point of and lastly I test it against a secular source. When people say things like "don't go to catholic lies .org" I begin to question how open minded that person is. For instance, if I want to know what the mormans believe on a topic I am not going to a Protestant source to teach me what mormans believe. BUT I will test their believes using non morman sources. You asked me what my sources are so I would like to ask you for yours. You made some bold claims. 8 hours ago, kwikphilly said: I discovered the role of the catholic church,they had nothing to do with the early church fathers According to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches this statement is false. This is not only from a Catholic view but purely from a secular historical fact. Ambrose https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose Jerome, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome Augustine, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo Eusebius https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius this is just to name a few AND linked back to non-catholic sources for a more exhaustive list http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.65 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Judas Machabeus said: Kwick, i don't take an person, church or religion at their word. When a claim is made I go to the claimants source to understand their point of view. Than I weigh it against an opposing point of and lastly I test it against a secular source. When people say things like "don't go to catholic lies .org" I begin to question how open minded that person is. For instance, if I want to know what the mormans believe on a topic I am not going to a Protestant source to teach me what mormans believe. BUT I will test their believes using non morman sources. You asked me what my sources are so I would like to ask you for yours. You made some bold claims. According to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches this statement is false. This is not only from a Catholic view but purely from a secular historical fact. Ambrose https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose Jerome, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome Augustine, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo Eusebius https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius this is just to name a few AND linked back to non-catholic sources for a more exhaustive list http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/ One has to be careful when using Wikipedia. If you look at the sources cited, you will see the affiliation to the Roman Catholic Church. So they are hardly unbiased. From Eusebius we learn the following: Quote When his own honesty was challenged by his contemporaries,[60] Gibbon appealed to a chapter heading in Eusebius' Praeparatio evangelica (Book XII, Chapter 31)[61] in which Eusebius discussed "That it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment."[62] How trustworthy can Eusebius be? Edited October 12, 2016 by Saved.One.by.Grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 Hi Zackster.... Quote IMO, the problem is understanding the use of the English word "believe". Please refer to the new thread comin' up shortly ... Oh I do know exactly where you are going,we certainley do agree here & on many things as we have come to find out through many a talk,,,,,,especially with this Scripture verse & context!!!! Zack,of course I will join you in the new Topic,if I miss it please let me know where it is Be Blessed Brother,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 Blessings Saved one by Grace Quote One has to be careful when using Wikipedia. If you look at the sources cited, you will see the affiliation to the Roman Catholic Church. So they are hardly unbiased. Thanks Brother,this is truly what I hope to encourage Judas to sort out & SEARCH.......we don't expect anyone t o simply take OUR word for anything,,,or anyone else's for that matter,that is why it is so important to research & study With love,your Sis,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 Blessings Judas Quote When people say things like "don't go to catholic lies .org" I begin to question how open minded that person is. Now you are mis-interpreting or mis-understanding what I've sad here because that is being open minded & unbiased......I said I am not telling you to go anywhere that i0s ANTI catholic ,,,I am telling you to check your sources .....you see,this is how a discussion goes nowhere & spirals out of control ,,,,,,everyone has to LISTEN to what someone is saying & not assume they know what the persons intent or mindset is,,,,,,you don't have to refer to me as "people"..."when people say",okay? I am right here talking to you AND LISTENING to your every word & in doing so I believe we may be on the right track because your sources for information may not be w4hat you believed they are,.......& that can be a problem..... Quote You asked me what my sources are so I would like to ask you for yours. You made some bold claims. They are not BOLD CLAIMS,I shared very little detail because I would need to write a book to write down the sources I used & spent over 25 years of my time and efforts to arrive at the conclusions I have & you just want to harp on one " I discovered the role of the catholic church,they had nothing to do with the early church fathers " This is what "I" discovered in the process,one of may things .....if you discover something different with reliable source of references the the burden of proof would be y ours,not mine Brother,I cannot do your research for you,although I wish I could,I can perhaps go back through some of my documents if you like but that will take quite a bit of time that I don't really have ,,,,,in my day we didn't have computers,I have files & files & files of paper....I didn't 'google",there was no google,I traveled far & wide and spent immeasurable hours ion the library,museums,monastery archives,convents,,it was taxing to say the least,but that is me & that was my quest....that journey took a frightful turn & I went down several paths lead me straight to covens & the darkest places the occult can take you to,I've learned much.....Not to mention The Books of Enoch,Jasher.....dead sea scrolls that have not been canonized,Apochryphia,,,,,do you know the cathokic bible has 7 additional books?Now w4hy is that,what are they & how did they get there,,,,these are things that I would hope you would question,I have I know it is very easy to jump on the internet & simply click away,,,,,lall I am saying is to know where your data & material is coming from,who said it & WHY? God Bless you,Praise & Glory to God Most High With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 BTW,Thanks guys,,,,,,I am filled with JOY to see the body of Christ,,,,,reasoning TOGETHER & not debating one another Love you all,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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