Why does God let the Antichrist conquer the world?

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1 hour ago, Blue Lotus said:

I think of Isaiah 45:7 when presented with quandary's like this. Because when scripture tells us in various passages that all things are predestined by God, pre-planned, before he created this planet we now inhabit, I think one has to arrive at a decision about how to deal with what they're told about the God they choose to worship. 

 

 

Isaiah 45:7

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I recently realized the God I worship wants the Antichrist to reign and wants the Devil and his children to pull their shenanigans.

He isn't up there crying crocodile tears. He can make it stop at any time. He can defeat his enemies at the snap of a finger.

The Lord is responsible for the light and the darkness, blessed be the name of the Lord!  Blessed be his plans.  God's will be done!

 

[Diaste]

5 hours ago, HAZARD said:

If the Antichrist, a man, rules the WHOLE WORLD,  as some believe, and he kills all those who do not take his mark, and God sends all those who do take the Antichrists mark to Hell, where do all these people come from?

The Bible speaks of many peoples of MANY NATIONS that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). 

V. 16, And it shall come to pass, that every one THAT IS LEFT of ALL THE NATIONS which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King and Lord of hosts, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

V. 17, And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

 V. 18, And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 V. 19, This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 V. 20, In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

 V. 21, Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill EVERYONE who does not take the mark even in his own empire. 

According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

Not much of a dilemma. The people of the nations that come against Jerusalem, the people the Lord fights against at his return, some of which are left alive, are not judged until after the 1000 years.  So there will be people running around with the mark for a millennia farming and once a year they either go worship the King or they get no rain and receive the curse of the plague.  This scenario also fulfills a prophecy where the enemies of the people of God are forced to kneel before Christ and his people; us.

This solves both issues and allows for the beast to gain power over all people through the mark and the idols that speak and cause the death of those who refuse to worship the beast, or his name, or the number of his name. 

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3 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44).

Not so fast. Daniel 11:40 is the lineage and acts of the line of kings leading up to the willful king, or beast. After the wars spoken of in Daniel 11 is when the beast invades the Temple commits the blasphemy and declares himself god and demands the worlds worship, in Dan 12. Likely this occurs just after the deadly head wound and the resurrection and empowering of the beast by Satan.

Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

The Roman empire has nothing to do with the beast or the 10 countries. I can prove this from scripture if you wish. Simply post your best arguments for the RRE as the Iron kingdom and I'll post the refutation.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

ion. Scripture tells us in Rev 13, and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In other words you're mistaken. It's true that many will be left alive after the great war waged by the Lamb. Most will be those who come against Jerusalem as scripture says,

Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Some might even have refused the mark and survived and not been taken at the gathering of believers when the Lord returns. But as scripture clearly states the people who are left are those of the nations that came against Jerusalem, not a bunch of nations that refused to worship the beast and/or take the mark.

 

 

[HAZARD]

19 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Not much of a dilemma. The people of the nations that come against Jerusalem, the people the Lord fights against at his return, some of which are left alive, are not judged until after the 1000 years.  So there will be people running around with the mark for a millennia farming and once a year they either go worship the King or they get no rain and receive the curse of the plague.  This scenario also fulfills a prophecy where the enemies of the people of God are forced to kneel before Christ and his people; us.

This solves both issues and allows for the beast to gain power over all people through the mark and the idols that speak and cause the death of those who refuse to worship the beast, or his name, or the number of his name. 

 

Show me one scripture which teaches that there will be people with the mark of the beast, alive  on the earth,  after the Antichrist has killed all those who have refused to take the mark, and God has sent those who did take the mark to Hell, during the Millennium farming and going up once a year to worship God and I will believe it.

 

Rev. 14:8, And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
   

V. 9, And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
   

V. 10, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the lamb:

V. 11,nd the smoke of their torment ascendeth up FOREVER AND EVER: and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever recieveth the MARK OF THE BEAST. 

Doesn't read like they will be farming and going up once a year to worship in the presence of the Lamb to me.

[HAZARD]

Diaste wrote;

Not so fast. Daniel 11:40 is the lineage and acts of the line of kings leading up to the willful king, or beast. After the wars spoken of in Daniel 11 is when the beast invades the Temple commits the blasphemy and declares himself god and demands the worlds worship, in Dan 12. Likely this occurs just after the deadly head wound and the resurrection and empowering of the beast by Satan.

Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

The Roman empire has nothing to do with the beast or the 10 countries. I can prove this from scripture if you wish. Simply post your best arguments for the RRE as the Iron kingdom and I'll post the refutation.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

ion. Scripture tells us in Rev 13, and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In other words you're mistaken. It's true that many will be left alive after the great war waged by the Lamb. Most will be those who come against Jerusalem as scripture says,

Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Some might even have refused the mark and survived and not been taken at the gathering of believers when the Lord returns. But as scripture clearly states the people who are left are those of the nations that came against Jerusalem, not a bunch of nations that refused to worship the beast and/or take the mark.

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The Roman empire has nothing to do with the beast or the 10 countries. I can prove this from scripture if you wish. Simply post your best arguments for the RRE as the Iron kingdom and I'll post the refutation."

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 The Bible definitely tells us where the Antichrist comes from. The book of Daniel not only makes it clear that he will come from the ten kingdoms of the old Roman empire, as in Daniel 7:7-8, 23-24,  and from the FOUR DIVISIONS of the Greacian empire, which are four of the ten as in Daniel 8:7-9, 20-23  but is also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as plainly taught in Daniel 11.

The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictured in Daniel 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "At the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them.

It states the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come.

If the king of the north was Russia, as many bible students now teach, how could Dan. 11:44 be fulfilled? What countries are north of Russia  that could fight against her, as required by this verse? There are no countries north of Russia, thus proving that the king of the north could not be Russia. When we understand the reference to be the northern division of the Grecian Empire, Syria, everything in the passage is clear. The Antichrist definitely comes from Syria and is called the king of the north who will fulfil all of Daniel 8:22-23; 11:35-45; 12:1-7.

The ten kingdoms will be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled.

These ten kingdoms will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24, the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.

 

The Antichrist, a man, will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.

 

"Some might even have refused the mark and survived and not been taken at the gathering of believers when the Lord returns. But as scripture clearly states the people who are left are those of the nations that came against Jerusalem, not a bunch of nations that refused to worship the beast and/or take the mark."

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 The Beast out of the Earth (Rev. 13:11-17).
This individual, or second beast, is here mentioned for the first time and all that is given concerning him in the Bible is recorded in Revelation. He is called "the false prophet" in Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10, which are the only other passages that mention him. He is to be a prophet, but a false one; a prophet of Antichrist, not Christ. In Rev. 16:13 he is seen with the beast and dragon as sending forth the demon spirits to gather nations to Armageddon. In Rev. 19:20 he is seen as being the mirical-working co-laborer and leader of the nations along with the first beast as he came against Christ at Armageddon. The doom of this second beast will be torment in the lake of fire forever along with the first beast, the dragon, and all rebellious creatures (Rev. 20:10).

The beast out of the earth [world] will tell Earth dwellers to make an image to the frist beast. The image will be made and set up in the temple of God to be worshiped (Matt. 24:15). He will have the power to give life to this image that is should both speak and cause all who will not worship it to be killed. This will be a wonderful sign in itself, that a material image should be given power to speak and act (Rev. 13:14, 15).

This second beast will cause all classes to recieve brands in their right hands or in their forheads, that no man might buy or sell except those who have them (Rev. 13:16-18). This will result in martyrdome of most of the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations" (Rev. 7:9-17; 13:7; 14:13; 15:2, 3; 20:4). In the worship of the first beast and his image, men will be so devoted as to say, "Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" This reveals the worship will be both political and religious (Rev. 13:14). It will not be a willing worship on the part of many, for force will be used to make them worship. The worship will be of such an apostate nature as to pronounce eternal doom to all who partake (Rev. 14:9-11). Many men will throw overboard all faith in God and Christ, and become servants of the devil, and be controlled by demon spirits to such an extent as to be past redemption.

[HAZARD]

 

To find out when and from where the Antichrist rises to power, we must go to the book of Daniel.

According to Daniel, there will be ten kingdoms formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory. We can call these ten kingdoms the Revised Roman Empire for it will be the present twenty three or so states inside the old Roman Empire territory brought down to ten kingdoms and ruled by ten kings. Then and only then can the Antichrist come. That these ten kingdoms are yet to be formed in the future is proved by Revelation 17:12-17. In these passages the ten kings fight against Christ at His second advent, so they must be latter day kings and not ten barbarous tribes that overran the Roman Empire in the third, fourth, and fifth centuries.

If ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the twenty three present states in that territory then it is clear that there will be at least another war in Europe, Asia and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When these ten kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled.

After this tri-continent war has been waged and is over and the ten kingdoms are formed and they exist for a short time (Rev. 17:8-12), then the Antichrist will arise out of one of them, one of the ten kingdoms.
He will come from one of the eastern four of the ten, and he will start another war.
He shall subdue three of the ten in his rise to power over the ten (Dan. 7:23-24; 8:8-9, 21-23).
He will make a seven years covenant with the nation of Israel and break it in the middle of the seven years and start another war (Dan. 9:27; 11:36-45).
It will take him three and one half years to get power over these three kingdoms that he subdues. By that time the countries of the north and east unite to make war on the nations inside the Roman Empire. In these circumstances the other six of the ten kingdoms he does not overthrow will give their kingdoms to him and make him their leader against the countries of the north and east (Dan. 11:40-45). God puts it into the hearts of the ten to give their kingdoms to the Antichrist and to help him in these new wars (Rev. 17:12-17). The Antichrist will become the victor over these countries in the last three and one half years of this age and he will become the ruler of Russia and Germany.
He will then gather these newly conquered countires against the Jews and seek to stop Christ from setting up His Kingdom (Ezek. 38 and 39; Zech. 14; Rev. 19:11-21).

We can narrow down exactly from which country the Antichrist will come from in the book of Daniel.
Daniel makes it clear that he will come from the ten kingdoms of the revised Old Roman Empire Territory (Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24), and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in (Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23), but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Cyrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as plainly taught in (Dan. 11). The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictured in Dan. 11:5-34).
Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "AT THE TIME OF THE END," showing the result of the last war between them.

It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come. If the king of the north was Russia as many Bible students now teach, how could Daniel 11:44 be fulfilled? There are no countries north of Russia that could fight against her, as required by this verse?
There are no countries north of Russia, thus proving that the king of the north could not be Russia. We must understand the reference to be the northern division of the Grecian Empire, Syria. The Antichrist comes from Syria and is called the king of the north who will fulfill all of Dan. 8:22-23; 11:35-45; 12:1-7).
 
This statement is proved by the following scriptures. He will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.
 
"the fourth beast" shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth [from Daniel's time to Christ's coming] which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth....And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall arise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first [ten] and shall subdue three kings [of the ten, which are the other three divisions of Greece besides Syria, the one the Antichrist shall come from]" (Dan. 7:23-24), "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have recieved no kingdom as yet: but recieve power as kings one hour [period] with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them.
The Old Roman Empire is to be revived. So, in what form will she exist. There will never be a Revived Roman Empire as a single empire ruled by one man as in the Old Roman Empire, but there will be ten separate governments formed inside this territory, as the seventh head on the beast. This kingdom could best be called the Revised Roman Empire. Rome is to exist in the form of ten kingdoms in the last days before the revelation of both Christ and Antichrist. These kingdoms will still be in existence during the appearance of both and will be overthrown, first by Antichrist and then by Christ.
In Dan. 2:40-45 we have the first picture of Rome symbolized by two legs of iron and ten toes of iron and clay. Rome never has existed yet in the form of separate kingdoms, as symbolized by the ten toes, so in order for all the prophecy to be fulfilled it must exist as such. However Rome has existed as one kingdom, symbolized by the lower part of the body, where the legs are joined to the body. Then too, Rome has existed in the form of two divisions as symbolized by the two legs of iron, representing the eastern and western divisions of the empire. The time of the existence of the ten kingdoms is clearly stated in Dan.2:44-45 as being in the day that the God of Heaven sets up a kingdom. God has yet not set up His kingdom and will not do so untill the coming of His Son, Jesus Christ, who will reign forever (Isa.9:6, 7: Dan. 7:13-14; Rev. 11:15). This proves that the Roman Empire will again exist in a new form of ten kingdoms at the time of the second advent,which will succeed old Rome as Rome succeeded the first five heads (kingdoms) on the beast. The ten toes of the two feet on the two legs of Dan. 2:38-45 represent ten kingdoms from the eastern and western divisions of Rome, five from one and five from the other. The phrase "the kingdom" is used twice in Dan. 2:40-45 and shows the unity of the ten kingdoms in some kind of loose federation.
Dan. 7:7-27 shows that there will come out of Rome ten kingdoms which will exist at the same time as the above ten kings. The additional prophecy given here is that "another little horn," called "the beast" in Dan. 7:11, will arise "after them" and overthrow three others. This little horn will continue "untill the Ancient of days" comes, and judgment is given to the saints of the Most High, and the time arrives for the saints to possess the kingdom. This relates to the coming of Christ to destroy the Antichrist and the ten kings and set up His kingdom, and proves that these ten kings and the eleventh king will all exist at the time of the coming of Christ. The ten will give their kingdoms to the eleventh or the beast, and they together will destroy Mystery Babylon, or religion in the middle of the Week, and then three and one half years later, they will fight Christ at Armageddon (Rev. 17:12-17). This beast of Dan. 7:11 is to be slain like the one in Rev. 19:20. Thus we see that Rome is to revised and exist in the form of ten separate kingdoms.

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Regarding the Antichrist ruling the  "WHOLE WORLD,"  the scriptures speak in context of the whole world as was then known. For example, regarding the Extent of Antichrist's Reign (Rev. 13:5-18) (Dan.7:23).

Not really. Since the prophecy was only going to find fulfillment at the time of the advent of the beast the context would be the known world around the time of the beasts reign. The prophecy of the 'whole world' would have no bearing on any time period between the giving of prophecy and the fulfillment.

While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire.

The logic here is incorrect. First one cannot affirm with certainty what God 'has in mind'. That's the same as saying one knows what and how God thinks. An impossibility. Second, if 'all' is taken in context of the latter day, then 'all' would be all the known world.

1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL FLESH,  WHERE IN IS THE BREATH OF LIFE,  from under heaven; and EVERY THING THAT IS IN THE EARTH SHALL DIE" (Gen 6:17).  If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet they did not die.  

You need to be a more urgent student of the Word. The context here is all the evil flesh as scripture clearly tells us that men had become so evil it pained God that he made man. Noah, his family and the animals were not in that group so scripture is again spot on, God did destroy all the flesh which He intended.
2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" referring to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25).

See the above correct rationale.

5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day.

 I would be interested in any proof you have to back this up. This is more than likely a guess on your part and it looks like ignoring proper context. Have you ever stopped to think of the impossibility of proving a negative? You're saying you know that an event or series of events did not happen. Can you really prove that? Do you know how small the world was at the time of Christ? By 1 AD there were only 150 million people on the whole planet according to the CIA. Less than half the USA. The earliest estimates show the population centered in the Mideast and Asia, which is where the churches were located. It's not just hyperbole when Paul makes the above statements, they are truth.

6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin]  "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world.

Another inconclusive statement. A 'dearth' is a shortage, not a famine. With the population of earth at that time being around 150 million, poor harvests would mean shortages for a great many people. If 150 million people were relying on the produce of the fertile crescent, which they did, and if the poor harvests occurred in the fertile crescent, which they did, then there would be a shortage throughout the know world.

Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL (Not every time. Just when it suits your purposes.) is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark.
We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth. While this makes perfect sense, you are not the arbiter of such a judgement while scripture is.

For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude (Only if poor research and illogic are employed) that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could(Possible but not according to scripture) likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do. Except for the fact that scripture concludes the territory is the whole earth and all mankind.

 

 

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Thing is, we wont be here when it happens.

Yes we will. The beast is coming for the church as it is in great need of cleansing. The beast is the fire of God sent to purify the church. The beast will come in the form of radical religion that demands conversion on pain of death, or allegiance to the leader of that religion by accepting his name or mark. That is already occurring in some parts of the world.

[Diaste]

28 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

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 The Bible definitely tells us where the Antichrist comes from. The book of Daniel not only makes it clear that he will come from the ten kingdoms of the old Roman empire, as in Daniel 7:7-8, 23-24,  and from the FOUR DIVISIONS of the Greacian empire, which are four of the ten as in Daniel 8:7-9, 20-23  but is also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as plainly taught in Daniel 11.

So is it Rome or Syria? I don't believe you have thought this through. The beast rises from the Seleucid Empire which is neither Rome nor Syria. Seleucus ruled from Babylon same as Nebuchadnezzar, the Medes and Persians, and the Greeks.

The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictured in Daniel 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "At the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them.

The King of the North from the divisions of the Grecian Empire would be Antigonus in Asia Minor, which is now Turkey. The KOTS is Egypt as this is where Ptolemy ruled. Seleucus was given and ruled from Babylon and only later the waning kingdom was pushed to the west into Syria where the rulers had little influence.  In any case Seleucus is not the KOTN and neither is Syria. It's Turkey in the north and Egypt in the south per Daniel 8 and, 

Dan 11:40;  And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Here you have the KOTN and the KOTS coming against a third entity, a 'him', which from earlier verses in Dan 11 is the willful king or antichrist, the beast.

It states the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come.

No. The beast comes from the land of succession as seen in the statute of Dan 2. Medo-Persia, Greece and Seleucid all succeeded Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. The succession is clear and has nothing to do with Syria or Rome. It's looks as though the beast has designs on Raqqah, if memory serves this is where the last big battle of Islam occurs according to Muslim tradition, but his origins are Seleucid and Babylonian.

 

The ten kingdoms will be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present states in that territory.

Not true. The 10 nations have no kingdom until the advent of the beast per Rev 17:12, And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 

So it's not possible that the 10 nations you refer to are the 10 nations of the beast cabal.

 

 

 

 

[HAZARD]

54 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Yes we will. The beast is coming for the church as it is in great need of cleansing. The beast is the fire of God sent to purify the church. The beast will come in the form of radical religion that demands conversion on pain of death, or allegiance to the leader of that religion by accepting his name or mark. That is already occurring in some parts of the world.

Have you heard of the pre-trib rapture? You may stay if you wish but I wont be here. Christ is coming, He will meet us in the air, in the clouds, to take His church out of the world to protect them from the Tribulation.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.

The Rapture takes place several years before the literal advent of Christ to the Earth, for they, the saints come back with Him at that time. The saints are in Heaven before God, and not in the air, from the time of the Rapture to their coming again with Christ to reign as kings and priests, Jude 14; Rev. 19:14; Zech. 14:5.

At the Rapture, the Lord comes from Heaven as far as the air, or Earthly Heavens and the saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air.

At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together. The rapture takes place before the Tribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until after the tribulation.

The bible clearly states that the hinderer of lawlessness must be removed before the Antichrist is revealed,  2 Thess. 2:7-8, For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. V. 8, And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
There are only there things in the world today that hinder lawlessness. They are the church, the Holy Spirit and human governments. The hinderer that will be taken out of the world must refer to one of these three things. It could not refer to the Holy Spirit and governments for neither will be taken out of the world. It is clear that governments will not be taken for the Antichrist will reign over the ten kingdoms during the tribulation (Dan. 7:23-24; Rev. 17:8-17). The Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation, so He could not be the hinderer taken (Acts. 2:16-21; John 14:16; Rev. 7:14; 12:17; 19:10; Zech. 12:10).

The Church will be taken out of the world,  (1 Thess. 4:16; Eph. 5:26-27; 1 Cor. 15:51-58), so this must be the hinderer referred to

If you cannot understand how the church could be referred to as "he," see Eph. 2:15; 4:13 where the church is called a "man."

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,” Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.
The Rapture of the church should never be confused with the second coming or second advent of Christ, for He does not come to the earth at that time.
The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.
The Rapture takes place several years before the literal advent of Christ to the Earth, for they, the saints come back with Him at that time. The saints are in Heaven before God, and not in the air, from the time of the Rapture to their coming again with Christ to reign as kings and priests, Jude 14; Rev. 19:14; Zech. 14:5.
At the Rapture, the Lord comes from Heaven as far as the air, or Earthly Heavens and the saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air.
At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together. The rapture takes place before the Tribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until after the tribulation.