MorningGlory Posted February 23, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: She should be censured by the Congress and forced to apologize publicly to Trump's staff. She should be but I'd be willing to bet she won't be. Civility in Congress, just as in the rest of or society, seems to be a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 23, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 23, 2017 18 hours ago, MorningGlory said: No, Ezra, let's not get carried away. Calling people 'scumbags' is nowhere near treason. That's not what I meant. It is the constant promotion of lies which have already been DEBUNKED that is treason, since they are meant to delegitimize the President and ultimately try and impeach him. Add to that the fact that Obama, Hillary and many Democrats in Congress allowed Radical Muslims connected with the Muslim Brotherhood to handle highly sensitive information knowingly. Not sure if Maxine Waters was one of those involved, but we are talking about the Democratic Party while in power giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA, and receiving payoffs also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 23, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Ezra said: That's not what I meant. It is the constant promotion of lies which have already been DEBUNKED that is treason, since they are meant to delegitimize the President and ultimately try and impeach him. Add to that the fact that Obama, Hillary and many Democrats in Congress allowed Radical Muslims connected with the Muslim Brotherhood to handle highly sensitive information knowingly. Not sure if Maxine Waters was one of those involved, but we are talking about the Democratic Party while in power giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA, and receiving payoffs also. Here is the American law on treason, which can only be charged during wartime. Treason The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies. The Treason Clause traces its roots back to an English statute enacted during the reign of Edward III (1327–1377). This statute prohibited levying war against the king, adhering to his enemies, or contemplating his death. Although this law defined treason to include disloyal and subversive thoughts, it effectively circumscribed the crime as it existed under the Common Law. During the thirteenth century, the crime of treason encompassed virtually every act contrary to the king's will and became a political tool of the Crown. Building on the tradition begun by Edward III, the Founding Fathers carefully delineated the crime of treason in Article III of the U.S. Constitution, narrowly defining its elements and setting forth stringent evidentiary requirements. Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given. The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 hours ago, MorningGlory said: The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution. Sorry, but you are seriously mistaken. Please note the clause (where you missed what comes after *or*) and its interpretation: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Treason, then, is defined only as going to war against the USA, or aiding the enemies of the USA. To be convicted, the accused must confess to treason, or be accused by two direct witnesses of the treason. http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#A3Sec3 So people who have been aiding the enemies of the USA (as I already pointed out previously) have committed treason. But now, with the assistance of Soros, the Democrats are actually going to war against the USA by defying the laws and the President as regards illegal aliens, Muslim migrants, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ezra said: Sorry, but you are seriously mistaken. Please note the clause (where you missed what comes after *or*) and its interpretation: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Treason, then, is defined only as going to war against the USA, or aiding the enemies of the USA. To be convicted, the accused must confess to treason, or be accused by two direct witnesses of the treason. http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#A3Sec3 So people who have been aiding the enemies of the USA (as I already pointed out previously) have committed treason. But now, with the assistance of Soros, the Democrats are actually going to war against the USA by defying the laws and the President as regards illegal aliens, Muslim migrants, etc. I'm not sure what you mean, Ezra, since we are not at war. "Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: I'm not sure what you mean, Ezra, since we are not at war. Please check this out. NYT: Democrats Have Declared 'Total War' on Trump http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Democrats-liberal-activists-resist/2017/02/23/id/775290/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Ezra said: Please check this out. NYT: Democrats Have Declared 'Total War' on Trump http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Democrats-liberal-activists-resist/2017/02/23/id/775290/ Well I agree with that headline, Ezra, but that's not the kind of war the Constitution spells out. No way you could charge those who engage in lies and deception toward the administration with treason. Slander...maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Ezra said: Sorry, but you are seriously mistaken. Please note the clause (where you missed what comes after *or*) and its interpretation: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Treason, then, is defined only as going to war against the USA, or aiding the enemies of the USA. To be convicted, the accused must confess to treason, or be accused by two direct witnesses of the treason. http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#A3Sec3 So people who have been aiding the enemies of the USA (as I already pointed out previously) have committed treason. But now, with the assistance of Soros, the Democrats are actually going to war against the USA by defying the laws and the President as regards illegal aliens, Muslim migrants, etc. But that doesn't cover Maxine Waters calling Trump Staffers "scumbags." If Maxine Waters was in cahoots with ISIS against the US, then she could be charged with Treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2017 The Sedition act of 1918 seems to cover some of what is happening now in these false statements made by the unofficial government opposition people to try and reverse the election results of Mr Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted February 24, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted February 24, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 5:31 PM, MorningGlory said: Sometimes i wonder what on earth is up with Maxine Waters! It's like she's gone off into an alternate universe! http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995-493995/watch-maxine-waters-calls-trump-cabinet-15584982/ I don't see this as an issue. If you give a sensation hound a bigger microphone you have rewarded her and convenced her that others are concerned with what she has to say. These types of people are furious anthey want to make others furious, either about President Trump or them, it doesn't matter. It is meant to hurt and we don't need to give her the satisfaction she wantsin seeing others upset. It's childish, but look at who is supporting these people. They are all just hid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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