Jeff2 Posted March 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2017 nobody seems to be able to declare that they are any more accurate than other versions nor can they demonstrate that the KJV has faithfully followed the true and original documents that were initially penned. Teditis, you are correct! Is the King James a good translation based upon the Textus Receptus? Absolutely! Is the NASB based upon the Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece; the 23rd edition a good translation? Absolutely! There is no taking away, or plotting to diminish the Deity of Christ, or any collusion with the Jehovah's Witnesses! It comes down to which manuscript compilation you prefer. (It's really hard for there to be a concerted effort to diminish the Deity of Christ when what was written, was written a thousand years before the five late manuscripts the Textus Receptus used). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted March 30, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2017 I also care about people, and it worries me to see so much misinformation being passed around. It's thanks to a Good News Bible that I am a Christian, and I've never had any problems using modern versions. I have been shown nothing that I have missed out on by not owning or reading a KJV. If there really has been a plot to disrupt the church through dodgy Bible versions going on for more than a century, it seems to have been spectacularly unsuccessful. Where is the evidence that they are changing us all into Catholics and JWs (both at the same time!)? I haven't seen any, and since 1975 I haven't met a single Christian who still uses the KJV (except in online forums, which aren't really representative). Yes, there are a few weird and wacky Bible versions in print, but they are easy to spot and you don't tend to find them in churches. That isn't really the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Giller said: And below is that article: http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp SMH, oh please find better and more creditable source than Jack Chick. May God have mercy on his soul and may he rest in peace. Truth and facts were just annoyances that got in the way of his material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted March 31, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2017 I see and hear plenty of false teaching, but none that I can put down to the use of modern Bible versions (KJV users seem to be at least as guilty, if not more). What is this "tons of evidence" that the Bibles are responsible? - people seem very keen to talk about it (and sell books about it) but surprisingly reluctant to produce anything concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 31, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2017 18 hours ago, Giller said: I know many people who have the KJV version, and most churches (not all) aren't what they seem to be, there is tons of evidence of an apostasy, and if you do not see it, which some do, may God help you. Those in the apostasy can't see it. Some of those outside the apostasy can see it. (YHWH decides). The gulf between them is great today, and maybe impassible tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I agree with the previous assessment of Jack Chick source-material... it's a horrible thing to be educated by Chick. And in my opinion, immediately taints the discussion and the ability to retain anything credible out of it. It drives any discussion down rabbit-holes and misty regents of circular reasoning... among many other logic-fallacies. He driven by hate and conspiracy theories that are by their nature unarguable. Please find other source material to support your suppositions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 31, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Deborah_ said: I see and hear plenty of false teaching, but none that I can put down to the use of modern Bible versions (KJV users seem to be at least as guilty, if not more). What is this "tons of evidence" that the Bibles are responsible? - people seem very keen to talk about it (and sell books about it) but surprisingly reluctant to produce anything concrete. JESUS HIMSELF addressed a lot of false teaching. The religious leaders then (as now) were the ones HE brought corrections for, as well as the regular people who had been tricked. They had the perfect SCRIPTURE then. Today, we have to rely on JESUS. 'k with me ! (HE IS A PERFECT SHEPHERD ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 31, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Teditis said: I agree with the previous assessment of Jack Chick source-material... it's a horrible thing to be educated by Chick. And in my opinion, immediately taints the discussion and the ability to retain anything credible out of it. It drives any discussion down rabbit-holes and misty regents of circular reasoning... among many other logic-fallacies. He driven by hate and conspiracy theories that are by their nature unarguable. Please find other source material to support your suppositions. I have found that the basic message Click puts out is ok. Maybe to get a person's attention and plant a seed. But if you go into Jack Chick's history and his KJV only belief it is not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Giller said: and one person that they tell the story of, is Alberto Riviera, which suffered a lot, through the Catholic church. Lol this has been debunked by Protestants. Alberto has been proven a fraud. But why let facts get in the way right 2 hours ago, Giller said: and of course protestants and Catholics together, but right now I won't put it, because most do not seem to be open to wanting to see, just a lot of people being offended. Jack Chick succeeded where so many failed. He was able to unit the Catholics and Protestants together on one thing at least. ---------- but hey, you can read Jack Chick and believe what you want, but you will be judged by your sources. Just as I will be judged by the sources I use. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 50 minutes ago, Giller said: But whatever the case, a lot of times if someone does not like a certain speaker, they will believe whatever suits them about the person, and sometimes do a witch hunt on them. Perhaps, but in the case of Jack I think when people from your side distance themselves from you and reject your writings, to me that says a lot. I have listened to many Protestant speakers and I was even a big Kent Hovind fan at one point. I can disagree with their theology and still find value in what they have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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