Guest Judas Machabeus Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: I was talking about the "special" miracles only, you are misunderstanding me. Like the ones where handkerchiefs touched by Paul would be brought to the sick. Where in scriputre does it's say 1. Definition of "special" miracle and plan ole regular miracle. 2. That they are limited one time events im also waiting for your answer to my question. You claimed that not all the Church Fathers viewed Peter as the Rock. My question was, which Church Fathers are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 A great series that highilights the power of relics and the oddity of minor relics is the series Wolf Hall statring Damian Lewis, Claire Foy (famous for Elizabeth II in "The Crown."). Wolf Hall is Masterpiece Theater and is available on Amazon.com video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/9/2017 at 8:07 AM, Judas Machabeus said: I know they exsist and that's the extant of my knowledge on them. So to answer your question in a broader sense 1. I believe in transubstantiation (I sure that's no surprise ) 2. I also believe that God is still performing miracles to this very day. So do I believe their claims... I don't know, I've never looked into them. Do I believe it's possible, yes absolutely. 1. I am a Midsuber (Bullinger) , but I understand where Transub came from in the interpretation of John 6:55, "For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink." 2. I agree, I believe God is still preforming miracles today too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Judas Machabeus said: 1. Definition of "special" miracle and plan ole regular miracle. 2. That they are limited one time event Acts 19:11 | And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: There as any commentator would tell you (that is any commentator worth their salt) were miracles that were meant to be more or less one time only. As for the other thing, that article I posted talks about how not all church Fathers accepted that Peter was the Rock (I'd have to go back to that article again to see who specifically) Edited May 11, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71 Had to delete references to Peter in rome as I forgot the topic was Peter the rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 10:50 PM, Judas Machabeus said: Also my old testement is weak but wasn't the ark of the covenant buried out in the desert by one of the prophets? If so how do we know it's in heaven and not buried in the wilderness. Because Revelation SAYS it in heaven. God would never allow it to remain under the ground to rot Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) On 5/9/2017 at 1:37 AM, Judas Machabeus said: . How about the uncorruptables. Those that have died and have never decomposed Some of those stories are frauds and all others can easily be explained away by natural conditions at burial preserving the body. Do you think God cares about that anyway? The flesh is evil and corrupt. Ask yourself why God would want to preserve THAT. He doesnt and never did. Edited May 11, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 5:09 PM, Fidei Defensor said: Interestingly, a person has found Ark beneath Golgatha, it is impossible to get to and an angel protects it. It is believed the Jesus' blood fell on it, that from mercy seat of the cross His blood fell on mercy seat that was the Ark. I seem to vaguely recall hearing that story too. But its not impossible that there are fake arks out there planted by Satan to deceive the Jews especially, who are still looking for it. The bible is plenty clear that the ark is in heaven. The word itself is not meant to be interpreted any other way. Dont believe everything you hear brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Judas Machabeus said: Where in scriputre does it's say 1. Definition of "special" miracle and plan ole regular miracle. 2. That they are limited one time events im also waiting for your answer to my question. You claimed that not all the Church Fathers viewed Peter as the Rock. My question was, which Church Fathers are you talking about? Trying to find that article...... Edited May 11, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71 Had to delete a link that I saw too late had a quote from Ellen G White, ooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 4 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Trying to find that article...... Again thank you for answering my question regarding the Fathers. you are a bible alone and everything has to be in the bible. So based on that I asked for scriputre to support your claim and you are looking for an article? I'm just wondering why you don't afford me the same privileges? You require me to show everything from scripture? So if you hold me to "show me in scriputre" standards I would kindly ask that you adhere to those standards as well. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Judas Machabeus Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 5 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: The flesh is evil and corrupt Wow that's a bold statement! If I start a thread will you join it and expand on that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts