Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, other one said: Not necessarily Shiloh, but when those putting on the conference have higher levels of credentials than yourself, why should I put you over them. You're not putting them over me. You're putting them over Scripture. You are more committed to your conspiracies than you are the word of God. Quote We have this discussion over several subjects where people that I agree with have higher levels of training and experience than yourself yet you expect me and others to put trust in your thoughts over others. Actually, my appeal has never been to myself but to Scripture which you pretty much poo poo in deference to your extraterrestrials and the book of Enoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: It should be pointed out that the there is no evidence that when Jude quoted Enoch that Jude's quote came from the book of Enoch. There is no reference in Scripture to a document called, "the book of Enoch." Everything used to make the book of Enoch appear to be ancient relative to the early church is really nothing but tradition, given that we don't have any manuscript evidence to prove it predates the first century by thousands of years as some claim. There are copies of it in the dead sea scrolls that prove its older than the new testament (speaking only of of 1 Enoch). 2 and 3 Enoch are not part of 1 Enoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: You're not putting them over me. You're putting them over Scripture. You are more committed to your conspiracies than you are the word of God. Actually, my appeal has never been to myself but to Scripture which you pretty much poo poo in deference to your extraterrestrials and the book of Enoch. Pfft ET's are fallen angels, and they are to be thrown down here according to scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Only parts of it are older than the NT. 1 Enoch is older then the New Testament. 1 Enoch is what I'm speaking about. I have no idea what so ever about 2nd and 3rd Enoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, other one said: There are copies of it in the dead sea scrolls that prove its older than the new testament (speaking only of of 1 Enoch). 2 and 3 Enoch are not part of 1 Enoch. parts of if are older than the New Testament, but not the parts that bear similarity to the NT. Ancient documents were not written in one sitting, necessarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Jude1:3 said: 1 Enoch is older then the New Testament. 1 Enoch is what I'm speaking about. I have no idea what so ever about 2nd and 3rd Enoch. There is not enough manuscript evidence to support any claims about the accuracy and authenticity of the book of Enoch. That's what makes the Bible the only 100% accurate and authentic source of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said: That's not true. It is true. We can verify the authenticity of Scripture, but not the book of Enoch. The manuscript evidence simply isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 We 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: It is true. We can verify the authenticity of Scripture, but not the book of Enoch. The manuscript evidence simply isn't there. Once again most of us are simply stating that 1Enoch is true, not that it is written by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, other one said: Pfft ET's are fallen angels, and they are to be thrown down here according to scripture. ET's are a myth and the fallen angel = ET's nonsense is just more conspiracy not supported by Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: There is not enough manuscript evidence to support any claims about the accuracy and authenticity of the book of Enoch. That's what makes the Bible the only 100% accurate and authentic source of truth. There is in The Ethiopian Bible written in Geez. It's what R.H. Charles used to translate it into English. John Strugnell said that he saw a Microfilm of an Aramaic version of Enoch that has never been published: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Strugnell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_Enoch_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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