Guest shiloh357 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, n2thelight said: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Gal.3:28–292). That verse simply means that ethnicity/race, gender and social status do not provide an advantage or set anyone at a disadvantage where access to God's grace is concerned. People who use that verse cannot be exegetically consistent in that they say that there is no Jew nor Greek, but are unwilling to also say that there are no male nor female. So their treatment of that verse to deny that a Jew is still a Jew in Christ really doesn't hold water. Quote At the heart of a currently popular end–times theology is the belief that God has two distinct people—one of whom must be raptured before God can continue His plan with the other. Rather than teaching that God has two categories of people, Scripture reveals only one chosen people who form one covenant community, beautifully symbolized by one cultivated olive tree. No, the problem is that by erasing the distinction between Israel and the Church it diminishes the faithfulness of God to Israel. Quote First, far from communicating a distinction between Israel and the church, the Scriptures from beginning to end reveal that God has only ever had one chosen people purchased “from every tribe and tongue and language and nation” (Rev.5:9). As Paul explains, the “mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus” (Eph.3:6, emphasis added). Indeed, the precise terminology used to describe the children of Israel in the Old Testament is ascribed to the church in the New Testament. Peter calls them “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1Pet.2:9). Ultimately, they are the one chosen people of God, not by virtue of their genealogical relationship to Abraham, but by virtue of their genuine relationship to “the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God” (1Pet.2:4). This pretty anti-Semitic. God has never rescinded His promises to Israel. God has only redeemed people, but the Jews are still God's chosen nation in the earth and He will keep His promises to Israel, to restore them to their Land. Quote Furthermore, just as the Old and New Testaments reveal only one chosen people, so too, they reveal only one covenant community. While that one covenant community is physically rooted in the offspring of Abraham—whose number would be like that of “the stars” of heaven (Gen.15:5) or “the dust of the earth” (Gen.13:16)—it is spiritually grounded in one singular Seed. Paul makes this explicit in his letter to the Galatians: “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed’ meaning one person, who is Christ” (Gal.3:16). As Paul goes on to explain: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Gal.3:29). The faithful remnant of Old Testament Israel and New Testament Christianity are together the one genuine seed of Abraham and thus heirs according to the promise. This remnant is not chosen on the basis of religion or race but rather on the basis of relationship to the resurrected Redeemer. But being Abraham's seed has nothing to do with who is or is not Israel. Israel is counted through Jacob, not Abraham, as Abraham was a Hebrew, not a Jew or an Israelite. Quote Finally, the one chosen people, who form one covenant community, are beautifully symbolized in the book of Romans as one cultivated olive tree (see Rom.11:11–24). The tree symbolizes Israel; its branches symbolize those who believe; and its root symbolizes Jesus—the root and the offspring of David (Rev.22:16). Natural branches broken off represent Jews who reject Jesus. Wild branches grafted in represent Gentiles who receive Jesus. Thus says Paul, “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children….In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring” (Rom.9:6–8). Jesus is the one genuine seed of Abraham! And all clothed in Christ constitute one congruent chosen covenant community connected by the cross.3 — Hank Hanegraaff http://www.equip.org/article/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church/ This is a very poor treatment of Paul's olive tree metaphor. And a very anti-Semitic one as well. It completely misses the point. The root of this olive tree is the patriarchs, not Jesus. The tree does represent Israel and it speaks to Gentile participation in the blessings of God's covenant with Israel. It doesn't make the Church Israel. It doesn't make Gentiles into Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 27, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) So you think Israel only consist of Jew's? And most don't even believe Christ is the Son of God when scripture says the only way to the Father is through the Son Edited May 27, 2017 by n2thelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 1 minute ago, n2thelight said: So you think Israel only consist of Jew's? No, but I know that God's hand is on the nation to fulfill His promises to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 27, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: No, but I know that God's hand is on the nation to fulfill His promises to them. Who is them? They have promises that others don't? Edited May 27, 2017 by n2thelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just now, n2thelight said: Who is them? Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 27, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: Israel. The nation or the people? And who is Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 1 minute ago, n2thelight said: The nation or the people? And who is Israel? The twelve tribes descended from Jacob. the nation and the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 27, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: The twelve tribes descended from Jacob. the nation and the people. Only Judah is in the Nation state of Israel right now,along with that basket of bad figs those that call themselves Jew's but are not Where are the other 11 tribes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 27, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2017 How can you be God's chosen and not believe in the Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just now, n2thelight said: Only Judah is in the Nation state of Israel right now,along with that basket of bad figs those that call themselves Jew's but are not Where are the other 11 tribes Actually, you don't really know which of the tribes is or is not in the Land. God knows the other tribes and where they are and he will take them out of the Gentile nations and bring them back to the land, as He has promised. And you don't know anything about the Jews living there, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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