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22 minutes ago, Robert William said:

You reject scripture, it's pointless to continue, I view the Canon of 66 books as the ultimate and final authority, you have elevated your feeling above scripture, that's the sin of idolatry.

Also I do believe that man without the spirit of God cannot know the things freely given by God because there spiritual desern. There a thing called resisting the holy spirit. Men can resist God's spirit when he opens there heart. No one can come to God without the holy spirit leading them. That is God's grace.

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Wayne222
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First you accuse me of heresy and now idolatry. I dont bow to idols at all. I bow to Jesus. Anyway your view has been debated by many. Norman Geiser sp? And James White and many others. My view does n

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Don't you believe Calvinist are saved as they accepted Jesus like we did? I don,t agree with the doctrine but the people are saved.   I just don't like to see all the bickering,we,re Christians a

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I think of debate as an argument to prove a winner, not necessarily the truth.  I stand on the side of truth whether I win or lose a debate is immaterial to me.  And the truth is found only after a de

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1 minute ago, Wayne222 said:

Also I do believe that man without the spirit of God cannot know the things freely given by God because there spiritual desern. There a thing called resisting the holy spirit. Men can resist God's spirit when he opens there heart. No one can come to God without the holy spirit leading them. That is God's grace.

Are you saying that God opens the heart of all humans, if yes please show scriptural proof?

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30 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Anyone can throw out Scriptures to prove a point, the JW's do it all the time.

So the picture I am getting is you have two persons as dead as a doornail. God breathes life into one He has chosen and passes by the 2nd. The first He takes to glory but the 2nd one He judges guilty for rejecting His Son even though the 2nd had no chance of receiving His Son being dead as a doornail.

How can that be a fair trial?

Right on, you nailed it. :) God is not obligated to save anybody, neither does anybody deserve the love of God.  

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32 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Anyone can throw out Scriptures to prove a point, the JW's do it all the time.

So the picture I am getting is you have two persons as dead as a doornail. God breathes life into one He has chosen and passes by the 2nd. The first He takes to glory but the 2nd one He judges guilty for rejecting His Son even though the 2nd had no chance of receiving His Son being dead as a doornail.

How can that be a fair trial?

God is not obligated to save anybody.  

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1 hour ago, Robert William said:

Right on, you nailed it. :) God is not obligated to save anybody, neither does anybody deserve the love of God. 

No one is claiming that God is obligated to save anyone.  If He were, grace would be meaningless.   No one deserves salvation or the love of God.  None of that is in dispute.

But that doesn't address how God is just in purposefully denying salvation to anyone.

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16 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No one is claiming that God is obligated to save anyone.  If He were, grace would be meaningless.   No one deserves salvation or the love of God.  None of that is in dispute.

But that doesn't address how God is just in purposefully denying salvation to anyone.

Ephesians chapter one and Romans chapter eight and nine explains that very nicely. :)

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Ephesians chapter one and Romans chapter eight and nine explains that very nicely. :)

Distill it down for us.

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2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Distill it down for us.

If the Holy Spirit doesn't do that for you then I can't help you.

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9 minutes ago, Robert William said:

If the Holy Spirit doesn't do that for you then I can't help you.

I know all of those chapters and have taught out of them.  They have nothing to do with Calvinism or God choosing who will or will not be saved.  I was just interested in seeing how you twist Scripture to fit the  false teaching of Calvinism.

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16 hours ago, Blueyedjewel said:

Ill take you back to your initial reply to me

" I agree with you on your last post Blueeyedjewel.  It's not just a matter of debating, more importantly, it's a matter of what God's word says. "

Thats what I have been standing on. I will not entertain strawmen.

This exchange of ideas has been exhausted as far as I am concerned. BYE:yadda:

The thing is we both read the same words of God and come across with two different understandings.  This leads to endless debating, not truth.

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