Guest shiloh357 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 A church shooting in Sutherland Texas was stopped after a local gun owner grabbed his rifle and began returning fire at the shooter, police announced Sunday. Police say the shooter, who has been identified as 26-year-old Devin P. Kelley of New Braunfels, Texas, walked inside the church and opened fire just before 11:30 a.m. local time. Kelly killed at least 26 people before an unidentified gun owner forced him to flee by grabbing his own rifle and returning fire, Texas Rangers announced Sunday. “At approximately 11:20 this morning a suspect was seen at a Valero gas station in Sutherland Springs, Texas,” Police Maj. Freeman Martin told reporters. “He was dressed in all black. That suspect crossed the street to the church, exited his vehicle and began firing at the church.” “That suspect then moved to the right side of the church and then continued to fire,” he continued. “That suspect entered the church and continued to fire. As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect. The suspect dropped his rifle, which was a Ruger AR assault-type rifle and fled from the church.” “Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time,” Freeman said. “A short time later law enforcement responded that [the] suspect [was] right at the Wilson/Guadalupe County line … and was found deceased in his vehicle. At this time we don’t know if it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by the local resident. We know he’s deceased in the vehicle. ” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, confirmed that 26 people were killed and as many as 30 other wounded in the shooting. The death toll makes the attack the deadliest shooting at a place of worship in American history. “We all know what happened here today. It’s something we all say does not happen in small communities,” Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt said at a Sunday evening press conference. “Today we found out that it does.” The victims ranged from five to 72 years old, officials said. First responders found 23 dead bodies inside the church, two more outside, and one person who was transported to a hospital but later died. http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/05/texas-gun-owner-stopped-church-shooting-rampage/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 If a church goer has a fire arm such as a conceal and carry pistol, they should take it to church. Nearly half of my church is armed, including myself. If someone comes in shooting off a gun we are ready. He might get some of us, but he will meet his doom. We are ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.00 Reputation: 5,193 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 hours ago, shiloh357 said: If a church goer has a fire arm such as a conceal and carry pistol, they should take it to church. Nearly half of my church is armed, including myself. If someone comes in shooting off a gun we are ready. He might get some of us, but he will meet his doom. We are ready. That seems the reasonable thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 Is it really reasonable? You die, you get to the Lord. A shooter dies, he is likely not saved and will end up in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted November 6, 2017 So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.75 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, ayin jade said: Is it really reasonable? You die, you get to the Lord. A shooter dies, he is likely not saved and will end up in hell. Not everyone who dies goes to the Lord and to heaven. That can also go for someone who is attending a Church. If the shooter was a born again Christian why would he shoot and kill? Apparently he was mentally ill but that is not an excuse. We all need to be accountable for our actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 hours ago, ayin jade said: Is it really reasonable? You die, you get to the Lord. A shooter dies, he is likely not saved and will end up in hell. The other option is to simply stand there and let him kill your children or your spouse or yourself. That is not reasonable at all. There are consequences for sin. If someone walks into any building for the purpose of murdering the people in those places and those people are armed and prevent a mass slaughter, he justly receives the consequences of his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The option is to simply stand there and let him kill your children or your spouse or yourself. That is not reasonable at all. There are consequences for sin. If someone walks into any building for the purpose of murdering the people in those places and those people are armed and prevent a mass slaughter, he justly receives the consequences of his decision. Gen 9:6, Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.00 Reputation: 5,193 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 hours ago, ayin jade said: Is it really reasonable? You die, you get to the Lord. A shooter dies, he is likely not saved and will end up in hell. Defense of others and self-defense is both reasonable and Biblical. Turning your back on the potential carnage in front of you is both irresponsible and unbiblical. No greater gift ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted November 6, 2017 A lot of times Quaker-style pacifism is just cowardice in better clothes. Or as my old Grandpap (not a slouch with a shooting iron himself) was known to say, "If a man's yellow ... he knows it." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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