simplejeff Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Mike 2 said: We should be telling them ...You know how much God loves you, Ill tell you, He has already forgiven you, even the worst you have done, He didnt put any , any stipulation on it, you just gotta accept it. Which churches say this? I know some or many do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, simplejeff said: If they choose to release you from the debt, it doesn't matter what they think you believe. Also, it doesn't matter what you know. It plays into the decision making. If we really think about it it plays into forgiveness for all of us, even if it is only at the beginning stage of forgiveness. At first, we forgive out of obedience, then we forgive because we come to some sort of understanding, then we forgive because we know it releases us, ultimately we forgive out of love and a desire to do what Jesus did and lead someone to a relationship with God. So I think it does matter if we can come to some understanding, good or bad, that helps us to start the process of forgiveness. I think we may be losing focus on the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Which churches say this? I know some or many do. The bible, look at the posts referring to Hebrews to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just now, Mike 2 said: The bible, look at the posts referring to Hebrews to start Sorry, no, that doesn't answer the question. Some churches agree with you. Others do not agree with you. I asked specifically which one(s) agree with you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsolostsoul Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 419 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 204 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, simplejeff said: If they choose to release you from the debt, it doesn't matter what they think you believe. Also, it doesn't matter what you know. Good thing is ultimate forgiveness is not based in Man and how Man deals with our debt. Hopefully, with Jesus in their hearts, they can find it in them to forgive or work it out. Think this is what scripture is stating. We should give forgiveness just as God has given it to us or continues to give it to us daily and freely. (Not saying to be one's sucker) He knows we fall short and luckily for us he has patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mike 2 said: I think we may be losing focus on the OP I think you have been making it more complicated than it actually is. I don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: Sorry, no, that doesn't answer the question. Some churches agree with you. Others do not agree with you. I asked specifically which one(s) agree with you ? I dont see how that question has anything to do with the discusion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, notsolostsoul said: Good thing is ultimate forgiveness is not based in Man and how Man deals with our debt. Amen. Yahweh's Forgiveness and the Atonemen by Jesus Blood for our sins does not depend on our doing good, otherwise we would all fail. All we have to do is seek Him and DO what He Says to DO for the Remission of our sins (to be becoming right with Yahweh (God) , for His Kingdom is at hand (as Jesus Says - turn to Yahweh for His Kingdom is at hand ) .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, simplejeff said: I think you have been making it more complicated than it actually is. I don't know why. You may be right but there is an obvious conflict in the different passages and I was just trying to stimulate a conversation that may enlighten us all as to why we see that conflict. Edited November 30, 2017 by Mike 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike 2 said: I dont see how that question has anything to do with the discusion No, I am not surprised. Sometimes it helps to resolve the theories or ideas someone posts, to know where they are coming from (whether catholic, jw, mormon, and so on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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