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  1. Changeing the world

    I myself passed a couple of milestones quite a few years ago. 1) I'm not changing the world (spiritually). Not only is that a daunting thought but it's not what I was meant to do. I can't be in relationship with the whole world. But one on one, now that's a different story. I can help change the world of an individual! 2) The other milestone was the realization that I ain't saving nobody. As Sam Shoemaker said in his poem "So I Stand at the Door " "The most tremendous thing in the world Is for men to find that door - the door to God. The most important thing that any man can do Is to take hold of one of those blind, groping hands And put it on the latch - the latch that only clicks And opens to the man's own touch " http://www.thejaywalker.com/pages/shoemaker.html I've chosen to think about individual lives and accept that only God's Holy Spirit will change or save anyone. Rom 10:14 How, then, can people call on someone they have not believed? And how can they believe in someone they have not heard about? And how can they hear without someone preaching? Rom 10:15 And how can people preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are those who bring the good news! That's how we "change the world"
  2. Did I just recieve the gift of tongues?

    There are 3 categories of spiritual gifts MANIFESTATION gifts found in 1Cor 12:7... These are gifts from the spirit that occur for a time and a purpose and are for the benefit of someone other than who the Holy Spirit is working through. They are not gifts that we possess like Motivational gifts. MINISTRY gifts found in Eph. 4;11... These are gifts from the Lord for the church and are actually positions in ministry MOTIVATIONAL gifts found in Romans 12:16.... These are the gifts that God decided to put in you before creation. Your view of the world is influenced by this gift(s). They're in your DNA and have a large influence in how you interact. We find speaking in tongues in Corinthians as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit working through someone, for a purpose, often for but a moment. 1Co 12:7 To each person has been given the ability to manifest the Spirit for the common good. If this is a gifting then it is to be used for the common good. It has to ultimately lead others to a closer relationship with God. If it's not.........
  3. Looking for some opinions

    I have wondered about this from time to time. Again our way of thinking automatically defaults to the way we are most familiar with and I sometimes think of something like my room at the resort being prepared for me. Maybe we need to think more along the spiritual lines and what that might look like....think outside the Christian status quo box. As for being in the presence of Jesus, as believers in him being our Lord and Savior, he already indwells us. We are already in His presence. I guess you're asking whether we will physically see Jesus. I believe so because in the end we will be living on a new earth. God who is spiritual, takes the form of something physical so we can see him in creation. I don't know how it happens, but I believe that it will seem like we will be in Jesus presence in a nano- second. By the way...... Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more. Interesting how the earth and water are in this description but the sky is not mentioned...or is it? Has it been assumed in this discussion that the heaven spoken here is where God is "residing"?? Have we ruled out the heaven as the sky is sometimes described, or the heavens as the stars are described?
  4. Looking for some opinions

    I don't think you are making a simple thing complicated. Your questions require a lot of thinking and require comparing bible passages.....makes us all think
  5. Looking for some opinions

    Gotta agree with TheMatrix on this one. The JW's do push this. The idea being that only a select few (of course made up of Jehovah's Witnesses) will actually be worthy and pure enough to be in heaven with God doesn't make sense and it doesn't take much reading to see that this is misguided (by the Watchtower) thinking.....hmmmm, who are they" watching" ? Something I believe is that even though we, in this world, look at "status" as a way of separating our society in to different hierarchy groups that create invisible barriers between us that no one should cross, I don't think for a second that there would be any barriers like that in heaven. That would ultimately create division and jealousy, or more accurately, envy. I believe that in heaven, whatever a persons "position" we will see it as right, fully understanding and embracing it with a love and desire to see it all work together as "the body". We won't see others as having a higher ranking but just as someone doing their part no greater or lesser than any other. Something else to think about is that heaven is not a physical place where God is, think about that ....if heaven is a place where God is, the place would have to have been there before God in order for God to go there. Otherwise where was God before that?? But....God created everything. Heaven is not where God is....God is where heaven is, or to put it another way,....where God is heaven is . Luk 17:20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you. Also look at Luk 9:27, Luk 10:9, Luk 18:17 The New Jerusalem coming down from heaven in Revelation is a way of showing that God comes to us!!! Rev 21:3 I heard a loud voice out of heaven saying, “Behold, God’s dwelling is with people, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. Because of our understanding of the physical we understand up and down in physical ways. Up and down can also be understood as a level of higher or lower authority or status. Our automatic go to when we read "God coming down" is to think of Him coming down from a physical place because that's how we understand things. We don't often consider he may be coming down from a Holy, Holy, Holy position.....to dwell with us. Incredible
  6. Looking for some opinions

    Have you ever had a deep sleep and woken up thinking that you had just gone to sleep only to find out you slept for 10 hours? Have you ever been put under anesthetic only to wake up hours later and you only remember a word or two before you concked out and no idea how long you were out for? I think that's what it will be like for us. This "sleep" may be a long time but it will seem like nothing. I had a friend say, just before dying.....see you in a minute. To him that's all it will seem like. Caused me to really think about it and that it is possible to "be asleep (dead)" a long time and it will seem like a nano-second. Time has to do with things created.....all created things come to an end, so there is a beginning and an end. That is measured using time. Time and the passing of time is for our physical existance. Once we die, time won't matter....no more deadlines, no more pressing appointments etc.
  7. a bit I tough love

    I doubt that the photo is of something factual....it's a photo of a book, writing something someone else said they heard from someone else... That being said, I think the moral is still valid. In my experience with people that repeatedly go down the same destructive path over and over again. There is always a "trigger" that causes them to decide to go down that path despite the fact they know where it will end. Most often it seems to be a short term selfish gain based on the thought "well it's going to go bad anyway so I may as well be the one that makes the decision". It's a false sense of control. My approach is to highlight the fact that we are not in control of anything....all we do is react to whats happening around us and we react based on what we know. It boils down to worldly, often carnal decisions or, Godly decisions. It's either Satan's influence/ control or Gods influence/ control. All we do is react based on our understanding of one of those influences in our life. If we are not educated in Godly decisions...well.........
  8. John 20:22-23

    How about throwing this in to the mix. Joh 9:1 As he was walking along, he observed a man who had been blind from birth. Joh 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that caused him to be born blind .At the time there was a belief (stemming from OT times) that anyone that was sick was sick as a result of sin. Look at the Pharisees response to the man blind from birth being healed in John Joh 9:34 They asked him, "You were born a sinner and you are trying to instruct us?" And they threw him out. This was tied together when Jesus healed the man on the stretcher in Math 9 .Mat 9:5 Which is easier: to say 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? Mat 9:6 But so you will know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins..." he told the paralyzed man, "Get up, pick up your stretcher, and go home!" Is it possible that the people that Jesus knew the disciples were going to be meeting were of this way of thinking as well? If people believed that sickness was a result of some known or unknown sin in a persons life the disciples healing would really draw attention to what they were doing.....preaching the news of Jesus the Christ and salvation. These men were being sent out as forerunners to Jesus arriving in an area.
  9. Joh 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. Joh 16:7 However, I am telling you the truth. It is for your advantage that I am going away, because if I do not go away the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. Joh 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment— Joh 16:9 of sin, because they do not believe in me; Joh 16:10 of righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see me; Joh 16:11 and of judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. Joh 16:12 "I still have a lot to say to you, but you cannot bear it now. Joh 16:13 Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own accord, but will speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come. Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, because he will take what is mine and declare it to you. Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine. That is why I said, 'He will take what is mine and declare it to you.' So does the Holy Spirit come from the Father or from Jesus? and.... if the Holy Spirit is not speaking on his own accord, on whose behalf is he speaking? How does this relate to 1Co 2:10 But God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God. Do the deep things of God have anything to do with the Father?
  10. Now for the Ouija Board

    I see this topic has kinda petered out and gone by the wayside. Sorry I didn't respond to you guys sooner but I had a very busy Christmas this year. It's not my intention to resurrect it but I do want to say thanks for all your input in regards to what is happening in my HC, it's valued. I am going to be leading my Home Church in a study on the spiritual gifts that we find in 1 Cor. 12 ((Manifestational gifts), Eph 4:11 (Ministerial gifts) and Romans 12:6-8 (Motivational gifts) My hope is that in doing this study the group will be able to understand what spiritual gifts God gives us, when, for how long and for what purpose. I will trust that the Spirit will put what is happening with the new person in our Home Church in the place it belongs as the group learns about spiritual gifting. On another note; Missmuffet did pose an interesting question when asking .....What does Father mean to you?.... as a response to my quoting how Jesus prayed to the Father. I find it an interesting question particularly if taken in the context of Jesus saying that we see the fullness of God in him.... maybe another thread.....?
  11. Now for the Ouija Board

    Sorry missmuffet and Jaydog 1976 .... .just can't keep my fingers off the key board.....I know where your heart is, no doubt in my mind ....but since you brought it up , What does Jesus say on the matter. Jesus words....... Mat_6:6 But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees from the hidden place will reward you. Mat_6:9 Therefore, this is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. Joh_15:16 "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. I have appointed you to go and produce fruit that will last, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he will give it to you. Joh_16:26 At that time, you will make your requests in my name, so that I will have no need to ask the Father on your behalf, (after the Holy Spirit indwells us M2 ) Luk_11:2 So he told them, "Whenever you pray you are to say, 'Father, may your name be kept holy. May your kingdom come. What about Paul...Eph_1:17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus, the Messiah, the most glorious Father, would give you a wise spirit, along with revelation that comes through knowing the Messiah fully. It might be worth while to take a look at Paul's introductions and doxologies (End of letter) to see who he prays to. We ask in Jesus name as a way of acknowledging that it is only because of Jesus that we can approach the Father. It is the Fathers will that is done and it is the Fathers will that we seek. Ok Ok ....slap my fingers for sidetracking
  12. Now for the Ouija Board

    Enoch may be off topic but I think Dennis 1209 brings our attention to what is written in Enoch about the fallen angels and their enticing men to trust them. There are a number of people in our community that have been to Bethel on more than one occasion and feel that our church isn't up to speed with spiritual gifts. I just recently had someone join my home church that is coming out of Catch The Fire and believes what is happening at Bethel to be the Holy Spirit. My spirit is very unsettled around this person and I haven't been sure exactly what it is about them that is doing it. They have asked every night that they have attended if we are open to prophecy and if they could deliver a word. I find it strange that anyone speaking as God directs them would ask permission because it implies that they feel some may take acceptation. I have been reluctant to let this person "prophecy" over any members 1 because most of them are fairly new to Christianity and 2 this person is new to our group (less than a month) and is saying they are feeling led to teach about prophecy. There has hardly been any time to find the pulse of our group let alone enable the people in the home church to have any idea of where this persons heart and faith is. Over dinner away from our home church I have allowed this person to prophecy over my wife and I (I prepared my wife for this ahead of time knowing it was probably going to happen) and I have to be honest, I couldn't help but walk away thinking that I was destined to be a great mover and shaker..... I really felt like my buttons were being pushed. I just can't shake the uneasiness in my spirit and am going to proceed very cautiously. All this to say. The humans in Enoch were receiving some pretty spectacular revelations from the fallen angels that moved them ahead by worldly standards, but spiritually didn't glorify God or bring them closer to Him. I am getting a sense that this person in our midst may be glorifying the experience of prophecy (and therefore attention on themselves) more than God. If there's a good take-away from Enoch it's that it puts a face on the evil forces that are at work in the spirit world around us. It seems to me that what the OP is talking about is how the fallen angels are increasing the desire for more power and status along just a little bit more and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a conversation with the people doing this would be full of stories of the things they did or what bill or Mary did. I can't imagine the mind set of a person that is drawn to "god" through this kind of preaching and how they may envision a life following....what? The gospel of Jesus Christ can stand on its own...it has too or it has no power. I think today we may have a misunderstanding of what prophecy is ....might be a good topic for a discussion here.
  13. Now for the Ouija Board

    Good thought Yown! It's a truth that can easily be missed.
  14. We don't maintain our righteousness, The Christ (Jesus) does that Heb. 7&8
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