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  1. Guns or security guards in churches

    Kinda makes me think about how we as Christians have to be careful about how we portray outwardly what we all believe about Jesus and his love beyond all understanding. People judge on appearances
  2. Guns or security guards in churches

    I'm not sure the discussion about why Jesus suggested the acquisition of a sword was actually played out. My suspicion is that if we give it some thought we will find that Jesus answers that for us. Particularly if we look at the statement that Jesus made about swords through the eyes of Jesus and with the thought of a God that is....love. Jesus used a lot of physical examples to give us spiritual understanding, in fact that's what God has done in the whole bible. Someone made a reference to Nehemiah and rebuilding the walls with a weapon in one hand. Consider the spiritual meaning of that for someone that is coming out of a life of sin and building walls around their spiritual life to keep the sin from coming back in and Nehemiah's whole story takes on a new spiritual meaning not only in the historical life of a nation but on a very personal level to anyone reading it. Can't help but think that the reference to getting a sword must have a spiritual meaning but we want to have it apply to having the right to assault someone (whether in self defense or not). By the way I am not 100% a pacifist, I do believe there are times when violence must be stopped with force. .
  3. Guns or security guards in churches

    He also said Jesus told him, "Put your winchester back in its place! Everyone who uses a winchester will be killed by a winchester. Mat 26:52 and Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evildoer. On the contrary, whoever slaps you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. Mat 5:40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well. Mat 5:41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go two with him. I think it is important to keep in mind what Paul says about trying to keep the peace....sometimes your hand is forced and you might not be able to...... Rom 12:17 Do not pay anyone back evil for evil, but focus your thoughts on what is right in the sight of all people. Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live in peace with all people. Rom 12:19 Do not take revenge, dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath. For it is written, "Vengeance belongs to me. I will pay them back, declares the Lord." Rom 12:20 But "if your enemy is hungry, feed him. For if he is thirsty, give him a drink. If you do this, you will pile burning coals on his head." Rom 12:21 Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good. The whole idea is that we already have Christ and by pulling back once we have taken control of a bad situation and offering love, we may influence the enemy to repent and feel the transformative power of the love of Christ I think you have quoted all your verses out of context for example Luke 11 and Proverbs 25 are referring to protection of the spiritual not physical. hmmmm, Jesus has a gun in the second picture too....what's that mean? Is it possible we could be reading into Luke 22:36?
  4. What Does Christmas Teach Us About God?

    The good news (gospel) God comes to us. In history and personally
  5. Thinking/praying in your sleep?

    Happens to me. Years ago I can remember getting up and going into the living room and marveling at how I was able to connect scripture together. Thought I was pretty good and wondered why I could not do it when I was around people. Then one night around 2 AM when it was happening again, I suddenly got this sense....Mike, it's not you....it's Me.... That's when I realized that it was Gods Holy Spirit working in me at a time when I didn't have life's distractions getting in the way. I embrace those times now and I have found, no matter how long that happens for, sometimes 2 or 3 hours, I'm never tired in the morning.
  6. The thread is here. I share a good part of brakelites point of view
  7. Awww sorry Shiloh what I thought was posted never went up. All that writing and nothing but memories
  8. I found an older one already going and posted some thoughts there The Substance of Man: Body, Spirit, Soul trinity explained
  9. Romans 7:14

    Here's how I see it: Paul is struggling with sin in his life and describing where in his spiritual walk it is at work. He knows in his soul what is the right thing to do ..... For I have the desire to do what is right....., but between knowing that and actually working that outwards and into the world his spirit gives into the physical (carnal) influence around him .For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. but I cannot carry it out. Paul is making a distinction As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me. Rom 7:17,18 Paul is splitting between our spirit and our soul and that deep inside he knows what is right but because his spirit is corrupted by worldly (carnal) influences, he gives in to that and....sins. I might add that 1Cor. 2:10-12 helps me to understand there is a difference between our soul and spirit as well as the difference between the Father and the Holy Spirit. In this we see there is a difference between our thoughts and our spirit. Gods thoughts and his Spirit. When we receive Gods Spirit, we are then able to have new understanding, not just the worldly influence that unsaved people have but the additional Spirit of God partnering with us, in our spirit to help us make heavenly choices rather than worldly choices. But alas, even this great preacher still struggled with sin. Fortunately, he gives us a clue as to where in our spiritual side the struggle is and what the answer to dealing with it is....Rom 7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is infected by death? Rom 7:25 Thank God through Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, because with my mind I myself can serve the Law of God, even while with my human nature I serve the law of sin. Coupled with the verses from 1Cor. I can see how Paul can keep going despite his sinning from time to time....he understands the weakness of the flesh and its influence on his spirit but, more importantly, he understands the transforming power of the Messiah. Now some may disagree with me as to whether Paul is referring to his spirit or soul when he says 'As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it," but he is making a distinction between the 2 and that there is a decision making process at work.
  10. Romans 7:14

    saved
  11. But they are not one and the same. That's the point. Jesus came up out of the water, the Father spoke from Heaven and the Spirit descended in the form of a dove. So yes they were separate. No, because all three Persons are the one God, one being, one essence. I'd be happy to discuss this in another thread or emails
  12. Shiloh said "We see that the Father sends Jesus who in turn, sends the Holy Spirit" The father sent Jesus through the Holy Spirit Luk 1:35 The angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come over you, and the power of the Most High will surround you. Therefore, the child will be holy and will be called the Son of God. Mat 1:20 After he had thought about it, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. "Joseph, son of David," he said, "don't be afraid to take Mary as your wife, because what has been conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. The Father sends the Holy Spirit.. Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything that I have told you. Joh 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. The Son and the Holy Spirit are both sent from the Father. Shiloh said "They were separate at the baptism of Jesus and at the mount of Transfiguration." I don't agree. This post is way off topic but if you would like to discuss this in a separate thread or through emails I would be happy to do that. Shilo said The car analogy doesn't work. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God. All three are God, one God. But they are also three Persons. again...in another format
  13. There you go, we, man, are applying the word person to a "concept" in an attempt to understand what is revealed to us. The word "person" as defined today no longer does a very good job of defining the concept, if the concept was correctly defined in the first place. The Father does not work separately from the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit does not do anything unless it is first the Fathers will. The only way to know the Father or His will is through God's Holy Spirit. If you have an experience with the Holy Spirit you are experiencing the Father through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not do anything independent like you or I do as a person but only the will of the Father. Look at a car, the engine is not a car , the tires are not a car, the body is not a car. Put them together and you have a car. God is a person. You can give me all kinds of verses and say that they describe the Holy Spirit as a person, but if you look at them as them describing God at work you will see that the person is really God.
  14. I can agree with this I do see the point of others that say God cannot be 3 persons. We have to keep in mind that that term was brought in to being 1700 years ago to try and describe what are 3 distinct ways that we see God at work. The language of the day was a lot different than that of today and as you can see just in this post using that old terminology creates confusion and breaks down our understanding of God. Many in frustration simply say "it's a mystery". It is not a mystery, but the use of 3 persons in 1 has served to fog the reality of God and how He works to many. It doesn't have to be that way! How can the meaning of a word change? Today if you say someone sucks at something it is generally accepted to mean that they are not very good at it. If you were to have said that just 30 years ago, you would have got your face slapped or a punch in the mouth because it meant something different then. Anyways....gotten off the topic of keeping or losing our salvation....pardon me.
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