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  1. I stand corrected Now, that aside...... What makes Christianity different in that we can say "it is finished" Jesus is the final word? How do we reason that? I'm curious to hear how different people would respond to that.
  2. LOL I was sitting on the fence whether I would use that word or not
  3. So I'm at a party the other day and I meet this guy, nice pleasant guy. He tells me he is following the Bahai religion. He talked a fair bit about his religion but what stuck out to me most is that he said (basically) they believe that God continues to send prophets and they are following the teachings of the latest prophet from which the religion of Bahai comes from. I can't help but get a sense of how a Jew must feel when I come along and say I am a Christian and Jesus supersedes the Law . I'm not looking for a discussion about that religion but what I am suggesting, in light of "revelations" that have resulted in Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness and others is that we discuss.... What makes Christianity different in that we can say "it is finished" Jesus is the final word? How do we reason that? I'm curious to hear how different people would respond to that.
  4. Hey BK1110 I don't know what your disability is and I say this with sincerity. Get someone you know is a believer to baptize you, pour a cup of water on you, drip some water from a rag, doesn't matter. I believe that it's the ACT of the baptism done from a confessing soul that shows it's willingness in whatever way they can, that God honors. I suppose there are some theologians that are going to argue that you have to be hanging upside down with a Bat suit on as opposed to a Spiderman suit or any one of a dozen other "correct" ways. I say poopoo to them, don't let their understanding take this away from you. You do this with someone and with a love for the Lord in your heart and I believe it's legitimate. Blessings brother.
  5. No it's not but it has a lot to do with a wonderful life in the Kingdom of God. Take a look at the circumstances surrounding Jesus baptism. Mat 3:14 But John tried to stop him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?" Mat 3:15 But Jesus answered him, "Let it be this way for now, because this is the proper way for us to fulfill all righteousness." Jesus has given us a hint in those words, and we see about what when we notice what happened after his public declaration. He was tempted in the face of that and.. He started his ministry. It's interesting that we see that baptism is significant in the beginning and then at the end of our Lords ministry. Look at what his last words were. Mat 28:19 Therefore, as you go, disciple people in all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to obey everything that I've commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age." If we don't obey the simple instruction to be baptized, what hope do we have of responding in faith to the greater things God wants to call us to. This is the meat and potatoes of what James is talking about in Jas. 2:14-26 ( I don't want to get side tracked with the James passage but what James is saying IS NOT that you have to do works for salvation, rather, he is saying what BK1110 is saying, if you're not ya gotta wonder if you really have faith in God)
  6. ...........and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains but have no love, I am nothing. 1Co 13:3 Even if I give away everything that I have and sacrifice myself, but have no love, I gain nothing. 1Co 13:4 Love is always patient; love is always kind; love is never envious or arrogant with pride. Nor is she conceited, 1Co 13:5 and she is never rude; she never thinks just of herself or ever gets annoyed. She never is resentful; 1Co 13:6 is never glad with sin; she's always glad to side with truth, and pleased that truth will win. 1Co 13:7 She bears up under everything; believes the best in all; there is no limit to her hope, and never will she fall. 1Co 13:8 Love never fails........... This ain't easy annnnd, you can't do it from a distance You can't help whether or not you like someone or their behavior but love..... Love is something you have to work at....and teach by example I gotta agree with Omegaman....sometimes humanness steps on love, that's why the verses from Paul can be hard to practice.
  7. I think you have to keep in mind what Solomon was writing about in Ecclesiastes ....the frustrations and frivolousness of the pursuits of this world and that all the concerns of this world......mean nothing when we die. Doesn't matter if you were the worlds smartest person like Solomon,it counts for nothing when you're dead, when you die it goes with you and eventually you won;t even be remembered. So whats the big deal about worldly pursuits Taking this passage by itself without understanding the root of Solomon's message could easily cause us to think differently. I suggest reading the chapter before and after to understand what he is talking about and in the context it was intended. The dead know nothing.....they are of no help in this world. They have no further reward.....in this world (they are no longer a part of it) Just an aside; Solomon's writing causes me to ask...What will I do with my life that will leave a legacy, that will leave something lasting. It seems that Solomon is saying that chasing worldly things is like chasing after the wind. It really leaves me thinking that the only thing that can create a lasting memory is having a spiritual effect in peoples lives
  8. Earlier I said I think doctrine can be divisive and sometimes we just have to step back and ask.....does it really matter? After the gospel and salvation does doctrine serve anything more than keeping us occupied? Isn't it a shame that our disagreements on doctrine that usually have nothing to do with the Gospel, can so often turn people away from wanting anything to do with Christianity.
  9. This is a good question but I do have to get behind the others that have responded by saying you should include biblical references to what you are talking about. I say this and try to practice it because it is a huge help in gaining understanding. Without doing the study of where the words are actually coming from it is very easy to slip into using incorrect "quotes" that you heard from a friend who heard it from a friend. If you really want understanding you have to do the work of getting into the bible, getting away from the "generalized" statements and finding the exact wording in context.There's no other way around it. In response to the opening question.. I think it is important to consider 2 things 1) Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. .....That's not an if or maybe, there's no condition attached to it. In every way I understand it, it's a definite thing. 2) I think James 2 will encompass a lot of what you are referring to regarding works. Simply put, James is saying ..if you say you believe but are not seeing a change in your life where you are more and more seeking and trusting Gods direction (acting in faith), you better be concerned about what it is you actually believe..... In the end God, through James, is telling us...you will know you're mine by the fruit in your life, if you are not doing ....(insert any of the mentioned things in the OP)... you simply agree that God is real, even to the point of talking about and knowing all about him, but never putting any saving faith in him, never really believing in your heart that he is Lord/director of your healthy spiritual life. So I think it is wrong to say the things mentioned in the OP are conditions . I say that Jesus has told us that we can know our faith by seeing the fruit of our spirit working in the world and we can use those things mentioned in the OP as a "gauge" as to whether we really are following him as Lord (director).
  10. I have to agree with you there. I wrote on the very first page of my bible "You have to be willing to be wrong"
  11. I was referring to various topics such as the trinity, predestination, baptism, the work of the Holy Spirit etc. There are many views on any of these topics and all play into "doctrine" of some form or another. Reading the bible, praying and meditating on it while trying to see how the common doctrines, from any number of sources, on any of those topics is taught is very enlightening and I find it helps me better understand what God has done, why and what He is doing today. I'm curious, could you elaborate on the difference between .."theological men writings or [doctrine itself as of the Bible". I'm not sure how you can have one without the other. Are you talking about people that write things without any scriptural backing? You said.."If our doctrine is based soundly upon Scripture, we can know we are walking in the path God designed for us." My question is, and I think it falls in line with the original post ..... Who determines if and how our doctrine is soundly based upon Scripture?
  12. Here's my thought; The fact that you are asking about it means that you are concerned about what God would think about it. That's good. Based on that I think if you pushed for an abortion you are going to be stuck with guilt and feeling bad. You are thinking about the abortion because you are thinking about yourself and how that child is going to cramp your life....thing is there is a big payoff as you guide and teach that child and watch them grow into a wonderful loving human. That's a nice payoff. From your own question you have presented, I think you have to ask yourself what's the payoff living the rest of your life thinking about that abortion. You may not be a Christian but it seems you believe in God . Something you need to know, and this is important, the God we as Christians follow is a loving and forgiving God. He can and has taken care of all mans sins, once and for all, through the work of the Christ (hence the word Christian). We are forgiven, however our guilt and sorrow of sin entraps us and makes us feel naked and embarrassed in front of God and our difficulty believing that God loves us despite our sin, separates us from God. I strongly suggest you take abortion off the table and consider something better.
  13. I found this an enjoyable and informative read Thanks for the history lesson and the lesson on how the bible has been translated into English. I understand the challenge in translating into different languages is in not losing the meaning of the original text, particularly when the original language may be written in a way that the culture of the time would easily understand. I do think though that there is a place for bible translations other than the King James version. I can remember having a conversation with someone once along the lines of how the only valid, true and correct translation is the KJV and no other bible version should be used. I asked if he had kids bibles for his children........hmmm. My wife would not read a bible for years because she had understood all bibles to be written in KJV language which needs to be translated and understood in modern English before trying to understand what the writer is saying. I gave her a copy of the Message, something I consider to be an adult version of a child's bible. That enabled her to engage the messages in the writings, develop a reading habit and then understand in general the topic being discussed. She is now using a number of different bibles and comparing texts to gain a better understanding. I believe the only way to truly understand the bible is beyond how it is written or that it is just a person interacting with some writings, I believe it can only be truly understood when a person is honestly seeking God and invites him into their thinking, through the text. When that happens, I don't think the version being used at the time will stop that. Thanks again for posting this I really enjoyed reading it.
  14. That's a different way of putting it.....but it works! I've also heard it put that we should not get between the hammer and the work. God being the hammer. Realizing that we are not the ones doing the saving (although that terminology is often used) takes a TON of pressure off us. Too often we think we have to walk away from an interaction fully knowing we have accomplished something. The problem is if we have it in OUR mind that, not just a homosexual, but anyone that we see as a sinner must see our point of view before we move on, we are just being selfish and heading towards making someone become defensive and dig in. Dancing with God and his Holy Spirit as we build relationships requires patience but oh we gain so much in the process. Learning to wait for Him and respond when He knows it is the right time, without pushing our own agenda requires a change of attitude. Knowing we have taken part in that dance while we have interacted with someone is really what it is all about. It gives us a reason to pray and interact with the Lord because just as you have said, it is recognizing that it is up to Him. We have to learn to be patient in a fast results world. There is a reason we live in a fast paced world....Satan has slowly but surely orchestrated that so that we won't take the time to wait on the Lord or others.
  15. TAKEN FROM MIRIAM WEBSTER dictionary....(it is a typical definition) Definition of doctrine 1 archaic : teaching, instruction 2 a : something that is taught b : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : dogma Catholic doctrine c law : a principle of law established through past decisions d : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations the Truman Doctrine e : a military principle or set of strategies Something I have felt for many years is that it is very important to understand that DOCTRINE is a set of beliefs that are taught and as such are subject to the flaws of the teachers understanding of the facts that they are forming their opinion from. The doctrines themselves are arrived at through the same process. Some doctrine can be obvious, some can only come from concerted thinking. In the end it is someones learned (?) opinion. Having said that, I believe some doctrine we just blindly accept because it has been around for a long time and has become our standard thoughtless response to a topic/ question or, it is being preached by the "theological egg head's" that can talk circles around us so it must be true. Ultimately I believe we should seek spiritual discernment through prayer and meditation when a particular doctrine becomes the subject of discussion especially if for some reason we can't buy into it. I think doctrine can be divisive and sometimes we just have to step back and ask.....does it really matter? After the gospel and salvation does doctrine serve anything more than keeping us occupied? (I am being a bit facetious) Personally I feel the study of some has brought me to a better understanding of who the God is that I have come to accept and know. It has helped to confirm my beliefs.