Mike 2

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  1. Hey sight, Ecclesiastes hit me like a ton of bricks....when it finally hit me. I'd been reading the bible for years and then for some reason or another I had the same experience that you just had...Chasing after everything is a waste of time! But doing something, doing something good and finding the joy in the doing focuses me on the here and now, not on dreams and the things I wish I had but the things I do right now. It was a real turning point for me. I love this part in ch 3; "I have observed the burdens placed by God on human beings in order to perfect them. He made everything appropriate in its time. He also placed eternity within them—yet, no person can fully comprehend what God is doing from beginning to end. I have concluded that the only worthwhile thing for them is to take pleasure in doing good in life; moreover, every person should eat, drink, and enjoy the benefits of everything that he undertakes, since it is a gift from God." This is something that I'm sure BK110 gets as well You quoted him earlier Posted Monday at 01:41 PM · Report post BK110, when you say "Jesus takes care of the rest"... Are you stating that matter of factly, or does that statement compensate for the fact that you truly are struggling everyday? Understanding what you quoted in Ecclesiastes along with what Jesus said in Mat 6:26-34 were easily the 2 most prominent things that moved me to understanding how BK110 could say that. You may not see it right now, but God IS doing things in you and if you keep plodding along, you will look back and see the difference between "then and now".
  2. I would pretty much ditto kwikphilly and add that if you look at the way the bible talks about slaves, the laws are written in a way that dictates treating them way better than the way the surrounding nations did. Many of the things in the Old Testament that seem primitive compared to our standards of today were actually counter-cultural at that time and even progressive.
  3. God bless you BK You get it
  4. I might be able to accept this with the understanding that God is not some other being different from the Father , Son and Holy Spirit but rather is the sum of them working together and that anything attributed as God in the physical is that part of him known as the Son bringing a physical thing into creation because it was the Fathers will to do so. I do think that many of the verses you quote are not to be taken as literally physical parts of God but as indications of Gods direct involvement.
  5. Jesus said the Son does nothing without first seeing the Father do it. The Father is the deep things (thoughts of God)the Holy Spirit knows those thoughts (1Cor.2:9-12) shares them and the Son acts them out in the physical. Understanding this makes it easy to see how "God" (the Father, Holy Spirit and Son together make up God ) works in the physical. The Father is greater than the Son because all things originate from him. Simple. It doesn't have to be complicated.
  6. Sight, these verses below are about committing to God. We can't have God working in a new life for us if we are still operating the old way. Oil and water don't mix Jas 3:8 but no one can tame the tongue. It is an uncontrollable evil filled with deadly poison. Jas 3:9 With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse those who are made in God's likeness. Jas 3:10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. It should not be like this, my brothers! Jas 3:11 A spring cannot pour both fresh and brackish water from the same opening, can it? Jas 3:12 My brothers, a fig tree cannot produce olives, nor a grapevine figs, can it? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. Jas 3:13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his noble conduct that his actions are done humbly and wisely. Jas 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and rivalry in your hearts, stop boasting and slandering the truth. Jas 3:15 That kind of wisdom does not come from above. No, it is worldly, self-centered, and demonic. Jas 3:16 For wherever jealousy and rivalry exist, there is disorder and every kind of evil. Jas 3:17 However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, then peace-loving, gentle, willing to yield, full of compassion and good deeds, and without a trace of partiality or hypocrisy. Jas 3:18 And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers. Note the first verse below...Sight, this is not a "maybe"...it's a definite. This is how you move out from where you are. In order to move away from our old ways we need to believe and want this and at the same time move towards God. THEN what you read in the last verse above (Jas 3:18) will slowly start to form in your life....and you will be much happier. That last verse is what it is all about with the God of the bible. Jas 1:5 Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to everyone generously without a rebuke, and it will be given to him. Jas 1:6 But he must ask in faith, without any doubts, for the one who has doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. Jas 1:7 Such a person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Jas 1:8 He is a double-minded man, unstable in all he undertakes. What you will find is that in using this wisdom in the way it is intended, you will find contentment even when there are jerks in your life. In fact, believe it or not, even though it will frustrate the heck out of you, you will actually learn to embrace them because, having been there, you will be able to relate to what they are going through. Still, you gotta ask for the wisdom that God wants to give generously.
  7. What about if he is asked to give a beef brisket to the robed man with the holy spirit. Would that be like if he is asked to give a beef brisket to the robed man with Bob? In that case Bob is clearly someone with the robed man. However, if he is asked to give a beef brisket to the robed man with the Bob, is he no longer referring to someone but something? This is why I am concerned about that one little word, a word that is used consistently throughout the bible. Its use seems to give meaning.
  8. This is in our lunch room
  9. Recently I have had this awareness of groups of people referring to the Holy Spirit as just Holy Spirit. It discomforts me, I don't know why, maybe it's because I don't see just plain Holy Spirit being referred to in the bible. It is always preceded by "the" or "His". Plus it seems that taking "the" away changes the intended meaning to something else. We don't see "the Jesus", just Jesus. Adding "the" changes the meaning of Jesus. Removing it also changes the meaning. Anybody else get that feeling? Is referring to "the Holy Spirit" as just "Holy Spirit" biblical?
  10. I had a long post typed here and just deleted it. But the reality is there's a BIG elephant in the room here. The God that Christians follow is an other-centered God that primarily thinks of the well being of those he loves. You are not seeking that God but another. In fact you have found that god. You may not realize it but you are a selfish person following the god of selfishness and greed. Man....you think your life is miserable right now, just keep following that god. You have got to want to get rid of all the misery you are going through, but you have to realize that your selfishness is what is causing that. And the god of selfishness and greed is already giving you just what you want.....selfishness and greed. Thing is.....he will never satisfy you....just lead you on with more selfishness and greed (and the anger that comes with never being satisfied) How's that working for you? "LISTEN TO ME YOU CHRISTIAN PEOPLE HERE: I DID NOT COME TO GOD FOR 2ND PLACE OR CONSOLATION PRIZES. I CAME TO GOD TO WIN, AND WIN ABUNDANTLY. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MEANS TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS; ONLY THAT I ACHIEVE IT. Why is God permitting unsavory people into my life, and why does he ALLOW THESE JERKS to contaminate my social circle, and take advantage of their resources?" The god you are talking about coming to in the above quote YOU HAVE IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW and are following. The God that is in the bible does not fall into your description. Hopefully when you get tired of the frustration and realize your other god is useless and NEVER satisfying you will turn to the true God to help you get rid of the selfishness that is causing your misery. He'll be there. James 4: 7-10
  11. I get where you're coming from. I have always looked at what James wrote in Jas 2 as a self test. ...if I look at my life and am not seeing any positive spiritual changes working outwardly in my life...... I better be asking myself what it is I believe. I often used that passage to decide whether someone is really a Christian or not....and the Jehovah's Witnesses have taken that to a whole different level.... I believe those verses are intended for me to gauge myself, not for me to gauge someone else. Simply because I don't know where you or anyone else is in there spiritual walk. I've been in bible studies with people I feel strongly are Christians, people that have a bible in one hand and a beer in the other. They're alcoholics and just haven't got past that yet. Glad you brought those verses up because they are great for all of us to meditate on from time to time when we consider how we are relating to God. thanks
  12. I just can't accept that I won't get to Heaven. Good... don't!! You are right you don't have what it takes... It's totally up to God to forgive you....you can't take it back, too late. You can regret it, wish you didn't do it and then decide you are going to make every effort to change and then... that's where Jesus makes the difference.... What you can't do Jesus did, he took your sins, past, present, future and as you will learn from studying got (and gets) rid of it all. You accept that, and guess where you're going... Bible tells us he died ONCE.....FOR ALL It's already be done for you, for me, even the nastiest dude you can think of because it's not about the good outweighing the bad, it's about forgiveness, for those that really want to change. We just have to trust that what the bible tells us is so. Jesus died to remove all that junk from everyone. But if you don't accept the gift that's been put in front of you....how can you apply it?
  13. As far as I understand there is no condition that we must love and obey God (something we must do). Can you show some biblical reference to support those conditions? Obviously we have to trust God in that His gift of salvation is through Jesus work on the cross. That's known as faith. That's all. Not to pick at you but I feel that we must be careful here so as not to accidentally mislead.
  14. I have to go along with woundeddog and add to it because the heavy load Jesus was talking about can still happen today even in a church. At that time the Jews were trying to follow the Law that was handed to them by God through Moses. They are commonly known as the 10 commandments although there were actually about 600 of them. They covered a lot of different things from how people behaved, how things were done in the temple to healthy eating. What happened was that the religious leaders of the time had come up with over 30,000 additional laws to enforce the original ones..... rather daunting. In fact the load of knowing that was so great that only well educated people could possibly understand it. It resulted in the majority of people feeling it was hopeless to try and come into a relationship with God. As woundeddog said, Jesus, on behalf of God, ushered in a new covenant that did away with the need to follow the Law as a way to approach God. We now approach God through accepting a way to Him through the work of Jesus on the cross and nothing else. Jesus ushered in a new Law (covenant) that basically says.....love one another. There's more to it than that, there is a yoke that we see Jesus demonstrate in his own life but the core is simply love one another. I've heard of church's saying that vanilla cakes can not be brought into a church because there is alcohol in the vanilla...part of the yoke of a religious rule that alcohol is not to be consumed....and alcohol is not to be consumed because it may lead to drunkenness and drunkenness will lead to......!? That's a yoke that I think our wine drinking Lord would probably say is adding weight. Always look at church rules through the lens of the love that Jesus demonstrates.
  15. Ahhhhh...... continue to believe? Sounds like you are looking to believe I noticed in the list you have that you don't have talking to God on there. I may be wrong but is it possible that you are using the bible as an instruction manual rather than a source of Gods revelation of himself to you? You can't "work" God into your life, you gotta need Him. If you don't NEED God, you won't want God. Sounds like you don't need Him. "it's like Christianity is just one gigantic coping mechanism for losers who cant win in life." Yea, it is......... but what life? Mike2 read Mat 5: 3, 4, 5