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  1. I often see the phrase "that is false teaching" on this forum. What is that? Is it something contrary to your belief, is it expressly contrary to a biblical principle or .....? Can you give an example of something you have seen, read or heard recently.
  2. What Al Capone did was no different than what corporations do....it's all business! The blood running through corporations is money....not love, it's only about the bottom line. If you see a corporation....or a gangster helping people out, it is ultimately because it will help the bottom line. Based on the fruits of Al Capone's spirit of killing, stealing and lying I would say that his helping the poor etc. "was only business" just like bumping someone off "was only business".
  3. Time has a start and an end. Before anything was created there was no "start". Once anything is created it will eventually have an "end" God did not create time, time was a result of something being created. Once something is created, it has a beginning and an end, it has a time in which it will exist.
  4. Maybe a bit of reasoning will help with this. If we know that God is love 1 Jn 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Pure love is other-centered and if God is other-centered then it stands to reason the opposite, self-centered is evil This selfishness is so pervasive in the "I wills" of Satan's fall as described in Isaiah 14: 12- In these he is completely consumed by the desire to be above all, with no concern for any others. This is something we are seeing quite prevalent today it's result is a lot of hatred and ill will towards others resulting in no ability to enjoy the "successes" of others.
  5. I recommend you find 3 or 4 commentaries that you find easy to read and compare them BUT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE COMMENTARY spend time meditating and praying for understanding through the Holy Spirit about what you are reading. Jas 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you Also, what ever you are reading make sure you read it in it's context. You will often get the meaning once you have it in context. Although it's older I enjoy William MacDonalds
  6. The bible is split into two parts 1. The Old Testament where we see man trying to come into relationship with God by following rules (the "10 commandments"). Only to find out time and time again that we fail at that and sin (miss the mark). We realize we don't have a hope of getting to God by anything we try to do. Its impossible, we'll mess up. We are without hope, until.... 2. The New Testament is marked by the arrival of Jesus. At his birth the angels announce the Gospel, "good news" to the shepherds.... .....Luke 2:10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. What is the GOOD NEWS? Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. This is the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL, we can't get to God so God comes to us.... in the form of Jesus who, as the Christ, will make a way to God for us!! Merry Christmas
  7. It makes me think of Adam being formed in Genesis 2...for a purpose?.... as opposed to the rest of man in Genesis 1 that were created.
  8. If what is written Gen 2:5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth , there would be nothing but dry earth and water for an environment (Gen 1:10) nothing else had yet been created, pretty desolate and harsh for the man He had formed Unless..... Gen 2:8 .... the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed Putting this in the chronology where it is seems to indicate it should be, for one, explains how Adam took part in naming the animals. It also explains where satan and the fallen angels were. It's possible with this that satan and the fallen angels were outside the garden having their influence on mankind that was "created".... and satan eventually came into the garden to entice the man that was "formed". We do not know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before the fall, obviously ADAM was from day 3 until after day 7. Eve must have arrived before Adam had his first son. It's possible the first son arrived shortly after leaving the garden. Seth was born when Adam was 130+ years old. In that time there could possibly be 7 generations born to mankind outside the garden. Think about this...scientists believe mankind originated in Africa, yet the garden was in the east (Gen 2:8) near Iraq(?). 130+ years would probably be enough time for mankind to spread that far and make wives available for Adams sons. This all fits without guessing. It comes together just by looking at what the text says about the timing of when "the man" was formed. Does anyone know of any study on this?
  9. I don't think this is a repeat of day 6 with added details because... Gen 1:11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. This tells me that plant life was created on the third day Gen 2:5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, This tells me that NO plant life was on the earth yet Gen 2:7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground This tells me that even when no plant life had yet appeared on the earth... the planet, God created a man, not man and woman, a man only. How did he survive with no plants or animals? Gen 2:8 the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed The garden is separate from the world and created prior to the rest of the created plants in Gen 1:11. Why?..God did not put mankind (the man and woman) of Gen 1:27 in the garden He created it to put the man in Gen 2:7 in the garden This appears to be a parallel story with distinctions between the two. One indication is how the man was formed in an intimate way in Ch 2 compared to created man and woman in Ch 1 just as the name for God is more intimate in Ch 2 than in Ch 1. The whole distinction seems to point to the "man" in the garden being set aside from "mankind" outside the garden for some reason.
  10. I've been giving this a lot of thought lately and am not finding any writing on this. There are 2 accounts of creation Gen 1 and Gen 2 with some significant differences (or so it seems). It seems obvious to me that the time line set out in Gen 2:5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, indicates the story of Adam and Eve (Genesis 2:5 and on) actually STARTED before Gen 1: 11, it's like it should be an aside like; "by the way, this was done at this point" It indicates that Adam was created before the rest of Gen 1:11 and on. That would seem impossible... UNLESS... Gen 2:8...... Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed........ It sure looks like God intentionally took some time to set up this garden off to the side, almost like a green house away from the harsh outside environment....Then..... He continued from Gen 1:11 and on This would indicate that God had created Adam first, set him in this pre-created garden oasis while He created the rest of the world and then involved Adam as he created the animals. God then ....created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them Gen 1:27. The implications are rather profound, not only were there really two creations, one within the other, but when we look at the obvious differences such as how God is referred to, the lineage of the chosen (Israel) and separate people and where the wives of Adam and Eves children came from it becomes easier to understand how that is not only possible but logical. This idea is not adding to or changing the story, it is just bringing to light what the writing can be saying. I can't believe there are no writings on this. Has anyone heard of this or know where I can find something on it?
  11. Based on vs 5 above I would say Adam was created earlier than those in Ch 1 vs 27 who were created after everything else was created
  12. Is it possible that the male and female created in vs 27 are different than the ones put in the garden that God created separately? why couldn't it be? It really explains: 1. God starting his revelation of himself to man through his chosen people 2. where all the people came from that Adam and Eves offspring found after leaving the garden and going out into the world. You'll have to be willing to think differently from what we have always assumed and has always been taught and accepted....but it sure seems plausible...... a separate chosen people that he would work through created separately right from the get go Is it possible Satan was in fact in the outer world and then came in to the garden?
  13. Gen 2:5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed Adam was created before any shrubs etc appeared (Gen 1:11- the third day), he was put in a specific garden already planted by God.... ...Interesting huh sure explains a lot
  14. I skipped past Neighbours post, too much scripture.....could have stopped at the chapter and verse reference to the sermon on the mount . It could be argued that Jesus was quoting a lot of scripture but we do have to keep in mind that he was delivering a sermon and not having a discussion with a group of friends. Using scripture to prove or back up what we are saying is important, we should be doing it for clarity.....with 1 proviso, there be only the proper amount of scripture to ensure we are not proof texting. Doing that is a skill in itself....... Laser bombing ? I think what One Light is saying is important because we really do need to learn to take the words of God and share them in our own words in ways that work in the culture we are in, something I think for me, is one of the primary purposes of this forum. Using bible quotes would then not be used as a back up to our belief but as the source of what we are communicating.
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