simplejeff Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, john1 said: I believe you have to keep showing love to people. Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself. If you break TORAH willing/ wittingly/ willfully, you have no love for sinning is always harmful - love is obedience to God and to Jesus. If you choose to obey God, instead of obeying the devil (that's the only 2 choices available), He may save you. He Promises to save everyone who honestly and faithfully calls on Him for help , for everyone who comes to Jesus to be saved, Jesus says will not be turned away. Everyone who follows Jesus faithfully and truly, does as Jesus does - i.e. does not seek to sin, but does what is right as God says. Like a little boy trusting His Father in heaven, and relying on Him for everything including being saved. Every boy does what his father says to do - God's children obey God; the devil's children disobey all the time. (whichever god a person obeys, that is their god; if they choose to trust and to obey GOD, this is better ; this is LIFE ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Look up what happens to all those unregenerate sinners who do not obey ! (they get tossed in the lake of fire) When I was trying to obey the law, I obeyed as good as you did, and you don't, no one ever obeyed the law except Christ. 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. I think you misunderstand the bible, I've studied it over 36 years, and have read it well over a hundred times. I think this verse applies to you and people who say they obey the law and don't. 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. ignorant means lack of knowledge as I said I've read the bible well over 100 times, I've lost count I might be coming to 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, simplejeff said: for sinning is always harmful By you own words and the bible's your lying. 1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46 "When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36 "When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to the enemy, who takes them captive to a land far away or near; Ecclesiastes chapter 7 verse 20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins. 1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, john1 said: When I was trying to obey the law, I obeyed as good as you did, and you don't, no one ever obeyed the law except Christ. Wrong again. You act as if you have never read the Bible. You act as if everyone is free to not obey the law ---> go commit adultery; go lie; go get an idol and worship it. As if you could still be saved while trampling under foot the Blood of Jesus Who died for you. Seek YHVH to learn the truth . (in line with all His Word). YHVH never said to "try" to obey TORAH. He Gave TORAH to His People and told them to obey TORAH. Not to try to. Jesus said the same thing in the NT (read the NT and the OT). Whoever disobeys YHVH , whoever disobeys Jesus, dies in their sin, if they do not repent. No other options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, john1 said: By you own words and the bible's your lying. What is the penatly for sin ? According to the Bible, it never changed. "death" So , you think death , or obeying the devil, to do the devil's bidding, is NOT harmful !?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, john1 said: 1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 5 minutes ago, simplejeff said: What is the penatly for sin ? According to the Bible, it never changed. "death" I'll go on loving. I don't think I can help you so I'll give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, john1 said: I'll go on loving. I don't think I can help you so I'll give up. You lost long ago, from your own words and posts, when you stopped following Jesus. You haven't been able to help anyone, not even yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, simplejeff said: You haven't been able to help anyone, not even yourself. Galatians chapter 2 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[e] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted February 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, john1 said: I'll go on loving. Be careful... Because love without truth is deceit, and not love... It seems such option is getting very popular, just do not fall for it. God's word is truth, and we should receive it all not just a fraction of it. "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 11, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, john1 said: Galatians chapter 2 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[e] Scripture is Right ! No man gains righteousness by keeping TORAH. And it is wrong for you to quote, for you already posted you did set aside the grace of God. How does a person gain righteousness ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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