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On 2/26/2018 at 6:43 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi simplejeff,

I will say that suffering can make us face issues, BUT it is the Spirit of God within that matures us. If it was suffering that matures people then we would have a world full of mature people - ie. there is so much suffering through out the world if you know what I mean.

Marilyn.

Sharing in Christ suffering as believers and  carnal suffering are completely two different things.  The bible says we would share in Christ suffering.  

I often wonder about the verses below and if in practical reality, saints do go through FIERY trials and endure sufferings.   I can testify as to this, the fiery trials are real and the sufferings are real.  Sufferings can come in many ways and the outward manifestations are not necessarily the ones that are fierce.  Ask anyone who have been  through spiritual warfare and though they may not want to relate the details, it is nevertheless as Peter stated below.

1 Peter 4 King James Version (KJV)

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

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54 minutes ago, brakelite said:

Physical and mental persecution will drive us to Jesus. This will further develop character, but our characters are tested every day to stretch and mature us. In the end, we will be complete and entire, wanting nothing. The time we spend through the final plagues, protected and shielded from the dangers all around us, will not be a test, but a revealing of those characters already developed. By then it will be too late to grow...we will have already been judged as either a sheep or a goat, and the Lord dealing with all accordingly.

Hi brakelite,

Yes I agree that physical and mental persecution, trials do drive us to the Lord, and He develops character by His Holy Spirit. And further to that we need to grow in knowing the truth of Christ, and His purposes otherwise we can be led astray.

I`m in the airport lounge and so that post is short.

Marilyn.

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22 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Sharing in Christ suffering as believers and  carnal suffering are completely two different things.  The bible says we would share in Christ suffering.  

I often wonder about the verses below and if in practical reality, saints do go through FIERY trials and endure sufferings.   I can testify as to this, the fiery trials are real and the sufferings are real.  Sufferings can come in many ways and the outward manifestations are not necessarily the ones that are fierce.  Ask anyone who have been  through spiritual warfare and though they may not want to relate the details, it is nevertheless as Peter stated below.

1 Peter 4 King James Version (KJV)

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Hi warrior,

I agree that we share in Christ`s sufferings and fiery trials, and they lead us closer to the Lord who by His Holy Spirit changes us. It is always the Holy Spirit that changes us. The trials etc are the proving of our faith, trust in the Lord.

Short post as I am about to fly home from holidays.

Marilyn.

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56 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi brakelite,

Yes I agree that physical and mental persecution, trials do drive us to the Lord, and He develops character by His Holy Spirit. And further to that we need to grow in knowing the truth of Christ, and His purposes otherwise we can be led astray.

I`m in the airport lounge and so that post is short.

Marilyn.

Happy travels!

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2Thessalonians 2:4 
‭Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.‭ 

Revelation 20:11 
‭And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.‭ 

Numbers 7:89 
‭And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that ‭was‭ upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.‭ 

Ezekiel 1:5 
‭Also out of the midst thereof ‭came‭ the likeness of four living creatures. And this ‭was‭ their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.‭  

 

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I am perplexed at how any Catholic can look at this without shame and embarrassment. Is this not the epitome of every essential meaning of the word 'Antichrist'? 'He who stands in the place of Christ'....'instead of Christ'. How can any Protestant look at this and not shake their head in astonishment at how far removed from the reformers they have come? The reformers looked at scenes and declarations such as this, and recognized fully the blasphemy and arrogance of this haughty power, and had this power dead to rights when they declared her the Antichrist of scripture. Today, Protestantism looks somewhere else, as if Rome has changed. No, it is Protestantism that has apostatized from the truth.
And when the beast comes knocking at the door seeking submission to her authority, Protestantism bows, and surrenders. Protestants today will accept the mark of the beast as readily as eating tomorrows breakfast because they do not know, nor do they any longer believe in the Bible.

Martin Luther wrote:
...nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? For all these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the Papal tyranny. Martin Luther, 'First Principles' p196-197

In the book of Revelation, we are presented with a beast coming up out of the sea, which is symbolic of peoples, nations, and tongues. This beast has upon its head a name. Blasphemy. In the Bible, we are shown clearly what constitutes blasphemy. 

Matt. 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Are there any true Protestants left willing to uphold truth without compromise and fear? Protestantism is not just about the negative connotation of protesting against something. The true Protestant upholds something. He is pro...for...the testimony. He is an upholder of the truth as it is found in Christ. He is one who continues the fight against error by proclaiming the true gospel, that gospel once delivered to the saints, perverted by the Roman apostasy, brought back to life by the Reformation, and continued to be taught by "those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17 
Who are these traitors against the truth who are now trampling upon the blood of the reformers and signing lying fraudulent documents that proclaim the protest over? To all who read this...do not join in the current fanaticism that is seeking unity with Antichrist...and if you are a part of that counterfeit system, God says to you, "come out of her that ye be not a partaker of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues". Revelation 18:4

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13 hours ago, brakelite said:

2Thessalonians 2:4 
‭Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.‭ 

Revelation 20:11 
‭And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.‭ 

Numbers 7:89 
‭And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that ‭was‭ upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.‭ 

Ezekiel 1:5 
‭Also out of the midst thereof ‭came‭ the likeness of four living creatures. And this ‭was‭ their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.‭  

 

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OH DEAR ,         JESUS himself was among his own as one who served .    THAT IMAGE RIGHT THEIR looks as though the man is in heart sitting in the place

WHERE ONLY GOD DESERVES.    THIS IS WICKED,   this is WICKEDNESS.    Can you even imagine paul or peter, james or jude

SITTING ALL DECKED OUT LIKE THAT .    LOOK AT IT .      LOOK AT IT.   THIS IS ABOMINATION .    THIS IS WICKEDNESS .

Watch out when the mean man humbles himself ,  its all about pretense .     The cost of that throne alone could have fed many poor people.

YET , how often do we hear the mouth piece say.................Give to the poor ,  and all the while SHE Keeps and lines her statues with its gold

with its monies and enlarges her border .   Her mouth is so wide open now ,  she is accepting all religions in ,   she says for world peace

BUT alas heed her not ,   its not for world peace she does this ,  ITS FOR WORLD POWER and CONTROL . WORLD WORSHP and the world to honor it .

And she will cause the worship of the beast .    And she will sit in Jerusalem as the high priest over all religions .     YEAH let that sink in a bit.

SHE DOES SEE HERSELF in the place of GOD . 

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13 hours ago, brakelite said:

2Thessalonians 2:4 
‭Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.‭ 

Revelation 20:11 
‭And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.‭ 

Numbers 7:89 
‭And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that ‭was‭ upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.‭ 

Ezekiel 1:5 
‭Also out of the midst thereof ‭came‭ the likeness of four living creatures. And this ‭was‭ their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.‭  

 

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LOOK at that image and then ponder these words .

FOR SHE SAYS WITHIN HERSELF I AM ,  I SHALL SEE NO SORROW ,   THEIR IS NO OTHER BESIDES ME .

Oh my,   goodness this is wicked to the core .   I mean like a batch of figs so rotten it cannot be touched or eaten .,

 

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14 hours ago, brakelite said:

2Thessalonians 2:4 
‭Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.‭ 

Revelation 20:11 
‭And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.‭ 

Numbers 7:89 
‭And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that ‭was‭ upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.‭ 

Ezekiel 1:5 
‭Also out of the midst thereof ‭came‭ the likeness of four living creatures. And this ‭was‭ their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.‭  

 

천주교와 용 39.png

Now look at that image one more time and then flee any prostestant churches or any WHO DESIRES UNITY WITH THAT .    its all a sham .

THIS is all a sham of deception under a guise of humility .   

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The number of Protestant churches that have joined in signing various declarations of unity with Rome, such as the Joint Declaration of Justification by Faith between the Lutherans and Catholics in 1999....the "Declaration on the Way--Church, Ministry, and Eucharist", more recently, are two of many such documents being bandied about. This latest document is a further capitulation by Lutherans regarding the truth of the gospel. 
Here are some examples of the fallacious so-called unity that is supposedly being negotiated...what they are as you will notice, is a complete turn-around from Reformation theology, soteriology, and several other "ologies". Not all Lutherans have signed on, but other faiths have signed similar documents with Rome, such as the Anglicans and the modern church in Europe that descended from Jan Huss. 
In the first section, Agreements on the Church, it reads:
4. Lutherans and Catholics agree that the church is in every age apostolic because it is founded on the apostles' witness to the gospel, and it continuously professes the apostolic and evangelical faith while living by mandated practices handed on from the apostles. Thus we recognize both in our ecclesial communities the attribute of apostolicity grounded in their ongoing continuity in the apostolic faith, teaching, and practices. (p22).
9. Catholics and Lutherans agree that the church on earth is indefectible, because it is and will be preserved by the Holy Spirit in all aspects essential for salvation. 
(The definition of indefectible is flawless...free of fault or decay.) Seriously? Lutherans agreed to this? Luther will be having apoplexy in his grave. 
On Authority of Ministry it reads:
20. Catholics and Lutherans also agree that the office of ministry stands over against the community as well as within it and thus is called to exercise authority over the community. (This is medaeval Papacy confirmed. The dark ages and the council of Trent affirmed). 
On Agreements on the Eucharist it reads:
Lutherans and Catholics agree that in the sacrament of the Lord's supper, Jesus Christ Himself is present: He is present truly, substantially, as a person, and He is present in His entirety, as Son of God and as a human being. What can I say?

Finally, after dealing with some of the more obvious compromises and capitulation of the Lutheran church, here is an outright lie, from section 4 under the heading of Church.
Drawing on the writings of Luther on the means of grace and marks of the church and on VaticanII regarding tradition, the church, and ecumenism, Lutherans and Catholics today "mutually recognize, at a fundamental level, the presence of apostolicity in our traditions". Luther contributed to this insight "when he insisted that a manifold Christian substance must be recognized in the Roman Catholic Church", for he perceived there the true holy scriptures, true baptism, the true sacrament of the altar, the true keys for the frgiveness of sins, the true office of proclamation, AND THE TRUE CATECHISM". 

NOW LET ME QUOTE LUTHER. 
..."nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinance increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God. All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled in the Papal tyranny. (Martin Luther 'First Principles' pp196-197).

How can there be any harmony between what Luther actually wrote, and what is being promulgated in the fraudulent document above? 
How can any true Christian align himself with Antichrist and remain true to the Way, the Truth, and the Life?

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