Wayne222 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2018 Why does Paul write we are saved by faith not of works least any man boast. What kind of works does he mean ? Works of righteousness. Any good work cannot be the reason God saves us. How does a man get his righteous standing before God. Answer: Inputed righteousness of christ. How ? Through faith in the name of Jesus Christ the son of God. Is the saved person left in bodage in his sins ? No he is regenerated by the holy spirit into a new creation in christ Jesus. He cannot remain in sin because the seed of God remains in him. The seed of God is his new nature. Made alive by the holy spirit. The new man now wants to live by every word out of the mouth of God. Can the new man sin ? Yes the old man is still in his flesh. How does he live by the new man ? By walking in the spirit. The new man desires the things of the spirit. The old man the disires of the flesh. The new man kills all the earthly things in the flesh. The man in christ does not allow the old man to live. Why ? Because we have died with christ and have been risen with him to newness of life. Its not i who lives but its christ Jesus who lives in me. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Does works save you? "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Butero said: Does works save you? "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24 Did you read what i wrote ? Did you understand ? Your taking what james says out of context. If paul says not of works. Paul says no works can save us. Then he means it. Do you believe you have to add works to the inputed righteousness of christ ? James is talking about the evidence of someone in christ. Works prove your faith is really in christ. Because if you really believe there is s transformation of your heart. But that work does not add to his inputed righteousness. Thsts why its by faith so it will be by grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Also i forgot to add. Abraham was fully conviced God was able to do what he promise. So that was why Abraham faith was counted as righteousness. And we are counted the same way if we beieve God raise christ from the dead. He was delivered for our sins and raised for our justification. Its by faith alone not works. So it could be by grace. If its by works then its not by faith. Works is the evidence of a faith that believes in God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Tis by grace alone we have been saved , changed so praise the Lord . Works without faith is death and faith without works is dead . just praise the Lord . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: Tis by grace alone we have been saved , changed so praise the Lord . Works without faith is death and faith without works is dead . just praise the Lord . Can you add any works to inputed righteousness of christ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 We are not saved by any works. If you add works to faith its a false gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne222 said: Can you add any works to inputed righteousness of christ ? NOPE . its just if we have faith we simply do good works . All based on one work, To believe in the ONE whom GOD did send. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,234 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,487 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Works...they have been shown in Scripture where God is completely destroying all we have began in and worked in... 'ALL' 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. If we take this reality and apply it to the rest of Scripture we see differently than the world sees: (why Peter says what manner of persons ought ye to be) First the fact: Verse 11 is the central aspect Peter is trying to get across and it is The Holiness of God communicating His intent of eternity... why would a Holy Righteous God want to keep that which is next to the sin... it is not sin but it is next to the sin Jude 23 (KJV) [23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. [24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, [25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Many may jump to conclusion this is a form of the error of thought that created matter is evil and only Spirit is good but clearly that is not what I have written thus far... but that a Holy Righteous God Who allows no place for the lie in what He has created had to create place and that being the eternal lake of fire... it was not of The original creation because of the sanctification of all that He had made... because satan had not rebelled yet and perversion of truth (lie) had not been born out of satan claiming himself to be god... Genesis 2:3 (KJV) [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. and that through the fact that God's abilities are without end in the framework of His Own Persons we understand why the new heavens and new earth and His hatred of sin is so complete even the garment which is not sin yet is next to the sin is hated as well... This builds a really different aspect of the work we do of God~ wherein we do it not for this list 1 Corinthians 3:11 (KJV) [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. I know I know most all commentaries say the gold, silver, precious stones are lasting works... 1 Peter 1:7 (KJV) [7] That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: [8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: [9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. but are they according to the leading of God's Word? Are they? 'All the works therein are burned up'... We see the support of this in how the new births of the begin of The Church in Jerusalem were selling all that they had and giving it to the needs of those around them... this activity fits exactly to the motivation of the truth of s/Spirit now born within them! The only value was in the souls around them not in the things one possessed... Second fact built upon first: The Lord warns us about the subtly of satan and must be!~ due to fact 1/3 of the angels and God's image (man) followed him instead of the One Who Created them... Throughout Scripture God speaks hatred and judgment against the whore Babylon... I believe this to be the system of the world and the tentacles that reach all facets of what appear to be necessary for life in the death... this system is seen in it's power of influence by our commentaries on 1Cor 3:11-15 all proclaiming lasting works of material that God 'IS' going to completely burn up ... I mean really 'you say that is all we have here to work with how do we keep reward?' Now the beautiful design of God can be revealed without the convolution of that which passes away to that which is kept forever: Third fact the righteous witness of The Scriptures: These verses of Scripture shall resonate now differently as one separates or rightly divides The Scriptures- Hebrews 11:6 (KJV) [6] But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. notice the only necessary element in pleasing God 'IS' faith alone but what is the Biblical definition of faith Chapter 11:1 [1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. the pin point if my eyes behold it~ it is not of the faith! Rather if I cling to that which passes away then I have no evidence of faith... God makes this statement 1 Corinthians 2:9 (KJV) [9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. [10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. [11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. [13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Tying this all together... We understand by faith that where we are and what will be cannot be perceived by us now but we have the capacity to accept and even live as though is already was because it is foundational in The Scripture which builds this faith necessary to please God Romans 10:17 (KJV) [17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So the heart that is totally detached with the value system of the world and walks by faith also walks in t/The s/Spirit not in the flesh and we who do not place any value upon that which passes away with the things God 'IS' keeping -we literally are ready for transference into that which we do not know and will not look back to any value whatsoever to that which is left for the fire >when God has accomplished His Word within it<.... Our works are built upon God's Word of the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen and all that is of this darkness which Paul speaks of here 1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJV) [12] For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. the perception of eternal things will not be fully perceived until there! The danger of those who do not see will place a definition upon faith with things seen... they will combine the things of now with the things that they perceive to be with the manipulation of things around them expecting God's acceptance of.... but the things which passes away cannot be expected to be kept with the things that do not pass away yet here they are doing just that Matthew 7:21 (KJV) [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. The will of God is that you walk according to His Word by Faith alone in His Son alone by His grace alone... [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. This statement is formed in eternity: faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone.... Love, Steven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 31, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted March 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Butero said: Does works save you? "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24 Those who live according to the flesh are the ones who see those who walk according to the Spirit and say: They are working to be saved. But Jesus is clear that if they do not repent in sincerity and truth they will by no means enter heaven, there is no excuse to sin when we are under grace. "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20 Yes, by no means, even if you live in sin and say: The blood is there, the sacrifice is there, no need worry I can just love to sin. “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” - Luke 5:31-32 Or you are free, or you are not. The Holy Spirit is given to all who believe; who believe. “For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” - Matthew 13:15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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