ChristB4us Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 956 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 275 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 12:38 AM, Roymond said: I seriously can't stop laughing -- are you seriously claiming that the Earth had vegetation but there was no universe? Tying the existence of the universe to the fourth day is a novel teaching with no basis in the text: the very first verse has God creating everything; that's what the Hebrew phrase "the heavens and the earth" indicates -- all that exists. And in verse 2 there is the t'hom, the "deep", which can mean the ocean but can also refer to the primeval heavens before God started shaping them. At any rate, they knew the Hebrew more thoroughly than anyone here, so when they say the Hebrew indicates an ancient Earth and an even more ancient universe I'll believe them over the amateurs here. When you read the first verse; Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The following verses is about how God did that in the first verse. You can know that by how it ended in Genesis 2nd chapter by the word "Thus... " Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Scripture did not originally have numbered chapters & numbered verses, and so the first creation account actually ended in verse 3 of the second chapter of genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristB4us Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 956 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 275 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 12:41 AM, Roymond said: The Hebrew does not tell of a global flood, and there is no scientific evidence for it. What about Jesus in Luke 17:26-37 for why He is warning believers to be ready or else? What about what Peter said as a warning for believers to endure to the end to be saved from what is coming on the earth in 2 Peter 3:1-14 as he mentioned the global flood as a warning about that fire coming on the earth which will come from Jesus also? Luke 12:40-49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,367 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,340 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 hours ago, DeighAnn said: Can't stop till you get the last dig? How CARNAL of you. Way to make Christians look 'set apart' from those of the world. When someone refuses to rationally engage with my arguments, I get to stop taking them seriously. Unlike my accusers (siding with the accuser of our brethren), I think my actual Judge understands a benign attempt at humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,367 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,340 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 hours ago, FreeGrace said: You called biblehub a "pseudo source". Where is the credibility in that? Where is the "credibility" in continuously lying about my intention after I have repeatedly clarified what I meant? Even if I meant what you are trying to convey, we are actually allowed to be critical of any extra-Biblical source. So, another shot to your "credibility" if you think "biblehub" is beyond reproach - but mainly just from you lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,415 Content Per Day: 8.22 Reputation: 609 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: And you know how I feel about the angels, right? No, not sure. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Matthew 22:30 KJV Right. When believers die physically, their souls/spirits go to heaven. And they don't marry are are given in marriage. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: The living RETURN to God. Can't do it in 'flesh and blood' body (who would want to anyhow) as it is of the earth. No, those who physically die 'return to God'. And they don't do it in "flesh and blood", but it is their immaterial soul/spirit that returns to God, awaiting their resurrection (spiritual) body at the Second Advent. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: No wonder we have been given 2 of them. One for the 'seen' world and one for the 'unseen' one. Get buried or angels come and fly you away... Believers get buried (physical body) AND will "fly away" with angels. From Luke 16, it is clear that Laz was escorted by angels. No reason that no one else will be escorted to heaven. And besides, we don't have maps to guide us there. :) 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: When do we start to feed upon the body and blood of Christ? Upon the words of God What is the living bread? First sentence: reference to communion per John 6. Second sentence: reference to spiritual growth through the Written Word. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: Made a NEW CREATURE. Now either that new creature goes into the corruption of the earth when this body dies the death of Adam or it doesn't. One must understand what "new creature" per 2 Cor 5:17 means. It is a reference to the fact that all believers have a new nature, one that cannot sin. And all believers still have their natural human natures that still sin. So the conflict, as Paul wrote about in Romans 6 and 7. Which demonstrates free will to choose. The new creature will go to be with God at physical death. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: Either we NEVER DIE or we do. It's a matter of what we believe... Both. The physical corruptible body will die (or be changed at the coming of the Lord) and the immaterial soul/spirit will never die. Applies to both believers and non believers. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: ...neither doth corruption inherit incorruption... It means the corruptible body doesn't inherit incorruption. Rather, it will be changed into a body of incorruption at the resurrection. 14 hours ago, DeighAnn said: Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 13:35 KJV Now I don't know about you but for me, anything that stays in the dust of the earth becomes corrupted... In Jewish times, they believed that physical bodies began to corrupt in 4 days, so by the time Jesus went to Lazarus' home, they believed that his physical body had already begun to decay (by this time he stinketh). Jesus' body wasn't in the grave for 4 days and therefore, His body didn't see corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,415 Content Per Day: 8.22 Reputation: 609 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Tristen said: DeighAnn said: Can't stop till you get the last dig? How CARNAL of you. Way to make Christians look 'set apart' from those of the world. When someone refuses to rationally engage with my arguments, I get to stop taking them seriously. So, calling biblehub a "pseudo source" is rational??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,415 Content Per Day: 8.22 Reputation: 609 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tristen said: Even if I meant what you are trying to convey, we are actually allowed to be critical of any extra-Biblical source. So, another shot to your "credibility" if you think "biblehub" is beyond reproach - but mainly just from you lying. Well, there it is. Biblehub PRESENTS actual Bible. Not just commentaries about the Bible. And they provide the many translations that are available, as well as the original languages, and dictionary meanings of those original language words. Do you consider English translations as "extra-biblical" then? Seems so. And if so, I strongly disagree. That would mean NO ONE without extensive original language training would have any chance of understanding what God has written. Please show me any lie I have made. Edited June 7, 2023 by FreeGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: No, those who physically die 'return to God'. And they don't do it in "flesh and blood", but it is their immaterial soul/spirit that returns to God, awaiting their resurrection (spiritual) body at the Second Advent. Are you saying that 'spiritual bodies' are immaterial or that both bodies 'earthly and spiritual' go into the grave and the 'air/breath' of that/those body/bodies' goes to God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,415 Content Per Day: 8.22 Reputation: 609 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: FreeGrace said: No, those who physically die 'return to God'. And they don't do it in "flesh and blood", but it is their immaterial soul/spirit that returns to God, awaiting their resurrection (spiritual) body at the Second Advent. Are you saying that 'spiritual bodies' are immaterial or that both bodies 'earthly and spiritual' go into the grave and the 'air/breath' of that/those body/bodies' goes to God? I am saying that the physical body goes to the grave and the soul/spirit goes to God for the saved or to Hades, awaiting the GWT judgment. There is no "spiritual body that goes into the grave. The grave is for the dead physical body only. The immaterial (soul/spirit) is what goes to God or Hades. The resurrection body is called "spiritual" in 1 Cor 15. But no one gets one until the belever's resurrection, at the end of the Tribulation. It is the resurrection body that is both physical and spiritual. Jesus entered a locked room and there is no mention in context that He simply climbed in through a window. Physical bodies cannot pass through walls/doors/etc. But physical/spiritual bodies (resurrection bodies) can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, FreeGrace said: The resurrection body is called "spiritual" in 1 Cor 15. But no one gets one until the belever's resurrection, at the end of the Tribulation. HOW can the 'soul/spirit' go to God without a body when 'A LIVING soul' is 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And we know that IMAGE is a body because WITHOUT a body THERE IS NO SOUL. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The BODY and BREATH is what a living SOUL is. IF man is "IMAGE" and soul is "BODY", then BY DEFINITION a 'soul' going to heaven has GOT to be in a body. Without an image there is no man, without a body there is no soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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