.."Things under the earth?"

[jc49]

King James, Philippians, Chapter 2

Chapters: 1 2 3 4

1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

....of this wonderful passage of Scripture i am puzzled at verse 10

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

things? in heaven,earth and....UNDER THE EARTH?

I hope I ve posted in the right forum...if yes, can anybody explain?

until now I haven't read anybody about and heard anyone even notice this...so,please shoot!

Shalom

[Fiosh]

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2. (10-11) The subjection of the whole creation to Jesus

a. Not only is Jesus exalted by the Father, but the whole world is brought into submission to the Son

i. "Paul does not imply by this a universal salvation, but means that every personal being will ultimately confess Christ's lordship, either with joyful faith or with resentment and despair." (Kent)

b. Paul's use of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth is intended to convey the absolute totality of all creation recognizing the superiority of Jesus Christ

i. He is drawing on Isaiah 45:23: I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. Notice that it is to Yahweh that all knees bow and tongues confess to in Isaiah; in Philippians it is to Jesus, showing that Jesus is Yahweh

c. The combination of tongues confessing and knees bowing gives evidence that we are talking about a complete submission to Christ, both in word and in action, and one that is required of all

i. The totality of this recognition of Jesus' deity and exaltation has caused many to envision this happening in formal way after the final judgment, when every creature, in heaven and hell, is required to bow their knees and make the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord

d. "He has always (in Paul's view) shared in the Divine nature. But it is only as the result of His Incarnation, Atonement, Resurrection and Exaltation that He appears to men as on an equality with God, that He is worshipped by them in the way in which Jehovah is worshipped." (Expositors)

i. So, there is a sense in which Jesus returned to heaven with more than He had when He left - not only did He return with His humanity still added to his deity (although a resurrected humanity), He also returned with the recognition planted among men of who He was and the worship He deserved - something unknown until the Incarnation and the full revelation of His person and work

ii. "He might have used the miraculous powers inherent in His Divine nature in such a way as to compel men, without further ado, to worship Him as God. Instead of that He was willing to attain this high dignity by the path of humiliation, suffering and death." (Expositors)

e. All this must be seen in reference to the humiliation described in verses 6-8; our tendency is to long for the exaltation, but to forsake the humiliation

f. The confession of Jesus Christ as Lord reminds us to consider the great significance of this word kurios, especially as it would be understood by the early church, who used the LXX as their Bible - where kurios was consistently used to translate the tetragrammaton, standing for the name Yahweh

i. We also should not miss the significance that at a later time in the Roman Empire, all residents of the Empire were required to swear an oath of allegiance to the Emperor, declaring that Caesar is Lord, and burning a pinch of incense to an image of the emperor. Though the Roman state saw this only as a display of political allegiance, Christians rightly interpreted it as idolatry - and refused to participate, often paying with their lives

ii. Paul has no doubt who is really Lord - not the Caesar whom he will stand trial before; Caesar may be a high name, but it is not the name above all names, the name which belongs to Jesus Christ!

g. Remember that Paul did not give this description of Jesus just for the theological education of the Philippians, but to equip them to endure the hardship they were experiencing, to understand Paul's hardship, and to practice real Christian unity in the midst of hard times

i. This picture of Jesus has helped them to understand how to assess the ministry of Paul, which seemed "weak" at the present time

ii. This picture helped them to understand the context of God's revelation of power - how God delights to show His power through humble actions

iii. This picture has equipped them to act in a way towards each other that will promote unity in the body of Christ

iv. This picture has shown them how to follow Jesus' pattern of patient, humble obedience - something Paul will call them to continue in the following verses

[jc49]

This is from:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1...64502-5291.html

Hope it helps...

2. (10-11) The subjection of the whole creation to Jesus

a. Not only is Jesus exalted by the Father, but the whole world is brought into submission to the Son

i. "Paul does not imply by this a universal salvation, but means that every personal being will ultimately confess Christ's lordship, either with joyful faith or with resentment and despair." (Kent)

b. Paul's use of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth is intended to convey the absolute totality of all creation recognizing the superiority of Jesus Christ

i. He is drawing on Isaiah 45:23: I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. Notice that it is to Yahweh that all knees bow and tongues confess to in Isaiah; in Philippians it is to Jesus, showing that Jesus is Yahweh

c. The combination of tongues confessing and knees bowing gives evidence that we are talking about a complete submission to Christ, both in word and in action, and one that is required of all

i. The totality of this recognition of Jesus' deity and exaltation has caused many to envision this happening in formal way after the final judgment, when every creature, in heaven and hell, is required to bow their knees and make the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord

d. "He has always (in Paul's view) shared in the Divine nature. But it is only as the result of His Incarnation, Atonement, Resurrection and Exaltation that He appears to men as on an equality with God, that He is worshipped by them in the way in which Jehovah is worshipped." (Expositors)

i. So, there is a sense in which Jesus returned to heaven with more than He had when He left - not only did He return with His humanity still added to his deity (although a resurrected humanity), He also returned with the recognition planted among men of who He was and the worship He deserved - something unknown until the Incarnation and the full revelation of His person and work

ii. "He might have used the miraculous powers inherent in His Divine nature in such a way as to compel men, without further ado, to worship Him as God. Instead of that He was willing to attain this high dignity by the path of humiliation, suffering and death." (Expositors)

e. All this must be seen in reference to the humiliation described in verses 6-8; our tendency is to long for the exaltation, but to forsake the humiliation

f. The confession of Jesus Christ as Lord reminds us to consider the great significance of this word kurios, especially as it would be understood by the early church, who used the LXX as their Bible - where kurios was consistently used to translate the tetragrammaton, standing for the name Yahweh

i. We also should not miss the significance that at a later time in the Roman Empire, all residents of the Empire were required to swear an oath of allegiance to the Emperor, declaring that Caesar is Lord, and burning a pinch of incense to an image of the emperor. Though the Roman state saw this only as a display of political allegiance, Christians rightly interpreted it as idolatry - and refused to participate, often paying with their lives

ii. Paul has no doubt who is really Lord - not the Caesar whom he will stand trial before; Caesar may be a high name, but it is not the name above all names, the name which belongs to Jesus Christ!

g. Remember that Paul did not give this description of Jesus just for the theological education of the Philippians, but to equip them to endure the hardship they were experiencing, to understand Paul's hardship, and to practice real Christian unity in the midst of hard times

i. This picture of Jesus has helped them to understand how to assess the ministry of Paul, which seemed "weak" at the present time

ii. This picture helped them to understand the context of God's revelation of power - how God delights to show His power through humble actions

iii. This picture has equipped them to act in a way towards each other that will promote unity in the body of Christ

iv. This picture has shown them how to follow Jesus' pattern of patient, humble obedience - something Paul will call them to continue in the following verses

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Thanks fiosh,kool

still I would like to know who are or what are "things under the earth?"

Anybody shoot plz

Shalom

[BigJer]

This is from:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1...64502-5291.html

Hope it helps...

2. (10-11) The subjection of the whole creation to Jesus

a. Not only is Jesus exalted by the Father, but the whole world is brought into submission to the Son

i. "Paul does not imply by this a universal salvation, but means that every personal being will ultimately confess Christ's lordship, either with joyful faith or with resentment and despair." (Kent)

b. Paul's use of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth is intended to convey the absolute totality of all creation recognizing the superiority of Jesus Christ

i. He is drawing on Isaiah 45:23: I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. Notice that it is to Yahweh that all knees bow and tongues confess to in Isaiah; in Philippians it is to Jesus, showing that Jesus is Yahweh

c. The combination of tongues confessing and knees bowing gives evidence that we are talking about a complete submission to Christ, both in word and in action, and one that is required of all

i. The totality of this recognition of Jesus' deity and exaltation has caused many to envision this happening in formal way after the final judgment, when every creature, in heaven and hell, is required to bow their knees and make the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord

d. "He has always (in Paul's view) shared in the Divine nature. But it is only as the result of His Incarnation, Atonement, Resurrection and Exaltation that He appears to men as on an equality with God, that He is worshipped by them in the way in which Jehovah is worshipped." (Expositors)

i. So, there is a sense in which Jesus returned to heaven with more than He had when He left - not only did He return with His humanity still added to his deity (although a resurrected humanity), He also returned with the recognition planted among men of who He was and the worship He deserved - something unknown until the Incarnation and the full revelation of His person and work

ii. "He might have used the miraculous powers inherent in His Divine nature in such a way as to compel men, without further ado, to worship Him as God. Instead of that He was willing to attain this high dignity by the path of humiliation, suffering and death." (Expositors)

e. All this must be seen in reference to the humiliation described in verses 6-8; our tendency is to long for the exaltation, but to forsake the humiliation

f. The confession of Jesus Christ as Lord reminds us to consider the great significance of this word kurios, especially as it would be understood by the early church, who used the LXX as their Bible - where kurios was consistently used to translate the tetragrammaton, standing for the name Yahweh

i. We also should not miss the significance that at a later time in the Roman Empire, all residents of the Empire were required to swear an oath of allegiance to the Emperor, declaring that Caesar is Lord, and burning a pinch of incense to an image of the emperor. Though the Roman state saw this only as a display of political allegiance, Christians rightly interpreted it as idolatry - and refused to participate, often paying with their lives

ii. Paul has no doubt who is really Lord - not the Caesar whom he will stand trial before; Caesar may be a high name, but it is not the name above all names, the name which belongs to Jesus Christ!

g. Remember that Paul did not give this description of Jesus just for the theological education of the Philippians, but to equip them to endure the hardship they were experiencing, to understand Paul's hardship, and to practice real Christian unity in the midst of hard times

i. This picture of Jesus has helped them to understand how to assess the ministry of Paul, which seemed "weak" at the present time

ii. This picture helped them to understand the context of God's revelation of power - how God delights to show His power through humble actions

iii. This picture has equipped them to act in a way towards each other that will promote unity in the body of Christ

iv. This picture has shown them how to follow Jesus' pattern of patient, humble obedience - something Paul will call them to continue in the following verses

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Great response!

[OneAccord]

We see this same sort of thing going on in Rev 5:13, every created thing praising the Lord, including those under the earth.

Revelation 5:13

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, {be} blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

This is a great question, what are those 'under the earth'? Some think 'under the earth' is Sheol or hell. Or those now sleeping in their graves. Literally it could mean all the creatures who live under the earth, earthworms, moles, etc.

i. The totality of this recognition of Jesus' deity and exaltation has caused many to envision this happening in formal way after the final judgment, when every creature, in heaven and hell, is required to bow their knees and make the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord

In the Rev 5:13 verse, not only is every creature bowing down and confessing that He is Lord, but they are actually praising Him. Is this forced praise?

[jc49]

We see this same sort of thing going on in Rev 5:13, every created thing praising the Lord, including those under the earth.

Revelation 5:13

And every  created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits  on the throne, and to the Lamb,  {be} blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

This is a great question, what are those 'under the earth'?  Some think 'under the earth' is Sheol or hell.  Or those now sleeping in their graves.  Literally it could mean all the creatures who live under the earth, earthworms, moles, etc.

i. The totality of this recognition of Jesus' deity and exaltation has caused many to envision this happening in formal way after the final judgment, when every creature, in heaven and hell, is required to bow their knees and make the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord

In the Rev 5:13 verse, not only is every creature bowing down and confessing that He is Lord, but they are actually praising Him. Is this forced praise?

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thanks Oneaccord,

yeah,I really believe that those who are saved praise and will praise Jesus and confess His Lordship gladly and gratefully for Who He IS and WHAT HE HAS DONE and HE"LL DO on their behalf..but even the enemies will be forced with tears and anguish to submit to His Lordship...I see Jesus MONARCHY as an ABSOLUTE ONE,Praise His Holy Name....

Thanks again Oneaccord,it would be great to see more partecipation to this thread...anybody there?