ejected Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 761 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2018 In Matt. 23:6 it tells us that certain ones love the chief seat in the synagogue. Who is it talking about? In verse 9 it say to call no man faheror pater which means ' an honorific title'. What would be an example of a title of honor? And in verse 12 it says why these things are not allowed. Pride/arrogance/ego. 'And whoever exalts himself will be humbled'. Upper seat with a religious title of honor. What's Jesus tslking about here? It gets worse. The hebrew word for self exaltation is ramam, or full of magots. Am i missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejected Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 761 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Im teaching what Jesus taught. No envy in that but rather freedom. Freedom from religion. Set the captives free. For freedom He set us free. Gal. 5:1 Besides. There is no way i could be envious of maggots. I pulled the lid on our garbage can a few times and found hundreds of maggots wiggling away. Made me sick to my stomach. Now about the titled high seat sitters.....need i expound. Jesus words need to be taken seriously. He is Whom we have to do. Hebrews 4:13 Please re-consider. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ejected said: Am i missing something here? Yes, you are missing something here: the context, the audience, and the intent of the message. The audience: The disciples and the multitudes. The message: The woeful behavior of scribes [lawyers] and Pharisees [a highly influential religious/political group in the Sanhedrin] Here's the context. Please read the whole thing. Matthew 23:1-12 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.'" Here's what you have missed: Jesus TOLD the people that the scribes and Pharisees have the same authority Moses had in terms of the law and that they were to obey these men when they taught the law. But, Jesus told them to watch out for their "works" which were not good and not to copy their misbehavior. What were they doing wrong? Expecting others to obey the law when they did not always do so. Doing all their "works" to be seen by others. They take their clothes and make the "religiousness" of their Hebrew symbols they wore larger and larger. It seemed that these little boxes they wore and tassels on their clothes became the mark of their personal holiness which is ridiculous. So in their minds, the bigger the boxes which contained little scrolls, the more holy their were. Ridiculous. They made the ordained feasts that God commanded all about them and where they sat to be "seen". In the synagogues, where men congregated on the Sabbath to read and discuss the scriptures, they had to have the "good seats". Like the expensive seats or press box at a ball game. They enjoyed the "titles" like rabbi and teacher. Of COURSE they had rabbi's and teachers, but they enjoyed the title only and being called that in the streets even when they weren't doing any rabbi or teacher duties. Jesus finally teaches that these men are all about hypocrisy and vanity, but when they teach the law they are to be obeyed, but their selfish ways are to be abhorred. If this is to be applied to New Testament churches, it applies to all members: pastors and congregants alike can ALL get caught up in their duties and make themselves "special". So can house church members. So can "solo" Christians get absorbed in their specialness. Edited August 22, 2018 by Jayne 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mission Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Jayne said: Yes, you are missing something here: the context, the audience, and the intent of the message. The audience: The disciples and the multitudes. The message: The woeful behavior of scribes [lawyers] and Pharisees [a highly influential religious/political group in the Sanhedrin] Here's the context. Please read the whole thing. Matthew 23:1-12 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.'" Here's what you have missed: Jesus TOLD the people that the scribes and Pharisees have the same authority Moses had in terms of the law and that they were to obey these men when they taught the law. But, Jesus told them to watch out for their "works" which were not good and not to copy their misbehavior. What were they doing wrong? Expecting others to obey the law when they did not always do so. Doing all their "works" to be seen by others. They take their clothes and make the "religiousness" of their Hebrew symbols they wore larger and larger. It seemed that these little boxes they wore and tassels on their clothes became the mark of their personal holiness which is ridiculous. So in their minds, the bigger the boxes which contained little scrolls, the more holy their were. Ridiculous. They made the ordained feasts that God commanded all about them and where they sat to be "seen". In the synagogues, where men congregated on the Sabbath to read and discuss the scriptures, they had to have the "good seats". Like the expensive seats or press box at a ball game. They enjoyed the "titles" like rabbi and teacher. Of COURSE they had rabbi's and teachers, but they enjoyed the title only and being called that in the streets even when they weren't doing any rabbi or teacher duties. Jesus finally teaches that these men are all about hypocrisy and vanity, but when they teach the law they are to be obeyed, but their selfish ways are to be abhorred. If this is to be applied to New Testament churches, it applies to all members: pastors and congregants alike can ALL get caught up in their duties and make themselves "special". So can house church members. So can "solo" Christians get absorbed in their specialness. Good comment. - it seems like that you did short exegesis / interpretation. You wrote some important issues from that text. - Titles..etc. --- Blessings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,466 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,377 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, ejected said: certain ones love the chief seat in the synagogue I believe the Pharisee's are the subject here referred to. 7 hours ago, ejected said: call no man faheror pater which means ' an honorific title Father, Holy, or Holy Father? I can think of one man at the Vatican myself. 7 hours ago, ejected said: Upper seat with a religious title of honor. What's Jesus tslking about here? I think of pontiff, special unearned privilege, unearned entitlement, ego, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.34 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted August 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Yowm said: I figured you would take that general statement I made personal. Some will probably take this personal too . But yowm , I don't care what the pope thinks about ya , I Loves ya . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted August 24, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 11:24 AM, Jayne said: pastors and congregants alike can ALL get caught up in their duties and make themselves "special". So can house church members. So can "solo" Christians get absorbed in their specialness. Does this go along with it. 1 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 24, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 hours ago, john1 said: Does this go along with it. 1 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Actually no. The "foolishness" of what was preached is how the world, the lost, views good Bible preaching. They think it's stupid and that Christians are fools. This passage in 1 Corinthians is showing how the world's wisdom is not God's wisdom. God doesn't save the world through what people would be called "wise". God's plan is not what we would do. That's because he is God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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