Michael37 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, enoob57 said: it would not be deception if it were a real would it? The deception is real if in fact anyone is deceived. Still, when the Bible calls something a miracle, satanic and deceptive or otherwise, I'm going with the Bible, not anyones bad exegesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Michael37 said: The deception is real if in fact anyone is deceived. Still, when the Bible calls something a miracle, satanic and deceptive or otherwise, I'm going with the Bible, not anyones bad exegesis. If it were a bona fide supernatural event what would be the deception... you have not answered this Scripturally yet … only the slinging of terms not identified! Well not seeing the forest for the trees scenario... The passage here 2 Thess 2:9-12 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. KJV tells us how we are to understand the use of the word miracle in Revelation and anyone not willing to connect the dots would have a view such as yours where miracle is miracle is miracle etc and so forth... verse 11 above practically states the substance of these miracles satan and his minion use... Edited September 2, 2018 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, enoob57 said: If it were a bona fide supernatural event what would be the deception... you have not answered this Scripturally yet … only the slinging of terms not identified! Well not seeing the forest for the trees scenario... The passage here 2 Thess 2:9-12 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. KJV tells us how we are to understand the use of the word miracle in Revelation and anyone not willing to connect the dots would have a view such as yours where miracle is miracle is miracle etc and so forth... verse 11 above practically states the substance of these miracles satan and his minion use... Supernatural stuff, like the magicians whose rods became snakes. Satan's miracles are always for the purpose of perverting God's plan of salvation, so we are on the same page with that, just ironing out the definition of miracle, and when to apply the word... Exo 7:8-13 (8) And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, (9) When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent. (10) And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. (11) Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. (12) For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods. (13) And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Supernatural stuff, like the magicians whose rods became snakes. Satan's miracles are always for the purpose of perverting God's plan of salvation, so we are on the same page with that, just ironing out the definition of miracle, and when to apply the word... Exo 7:8-13 (8) And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, (9) When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent. (10) And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. (11) Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. (12) For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods. (13) And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. The approach here is unspecified by God in the Thessalonians passage but as to contextual exegesis Ex 7:11 11 aør`q=Y]w~ vqw3ms Pc Then called 7121 Wayyiqr¹° Á<G~ Pc also 1571 gam- huÍ)r+P^ np Pharaoh 6547 Par±œh <ymæ!k*j&l˜^ ampa Pa Pp the wise men 2450 laµ½¹mîm <yp¢!V=k^m=lµ^w+ vpPmpa Pa Pp Pc and the sorcerers: 3784 w®lam½aš¸îm Wc®u&Y”~w~ vqw3mp Pc now did 6213 wayya±´û Á<g~ Pc also 1571 ºam- <h‡@ pi3mp they 1992 h¢m yMˆ@f%r+j^ ncmpc the magicians of 2748 µar‰¥mmê <y]rº^x=m! np Egypt, 4714 Miƒrayim <hæ#yf@h&l^B= ncmpcX3mp Pp with their enchantments. 3858 b®lah‰êhem OT:3858 OT:3858 fh^l^ lahat (lah'-hat); from OT:3857; a blaze; also (from the idea of enwrapping) magic (as covert): KJV - flaming, enchantment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 2, 2018 The overall aspect of satan is lie and God says so John 8:45 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. KJV to convolute this reality of creation ability to satan is to give him more than he has been given by God... if anyone cannot see God used His creative abilities to substantiate Himself to us Rom 1:20-25 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. KJV satan perverts truth by deception and want to be seen as god... his subtle ability to deceive is seen 1/3 of God's angels followed after his lie! Only God within us can overcome this evil that satan is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Michael37 said: Please don't contradict Scripture with unsubstantiated claims, rather please study the Scripture to see if it is so,enoob57. Rev 13:11-14 (11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (12) And he exercised all the power of the first beast before him, and caused the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he made fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, (14) And deceived them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Rev 16:12-14 (12) And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. (13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (14) For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Rev 19:20 (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. So these three Scriptures simply inform of deception by means of miracles. Plain enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Michael37 said: So these three Scriptures simply inform of deception by means of miracles. Plain enough. As long as you keep ignoring the Thessalonians passage I would say twisting enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted September 2, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 2, 2018 9 hours ago, enoob57 said: As long as you keep ignoring the Thessalonians passage I would say twisting enough... That's not fair. I've been giving you and your references my attention, but there are no dots to join as you imagine. I have clarity on the both Thessalonians and Revelation and would never, ever, ever, never twist any Scriptures to say what they don't mean. I hope and pray you will accept that Revelation doesn't cancel Thessalonians in any way, but sharpens the focus on satanic activity in the last days. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 3, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Michael37 said: That's not fair. I've been giving you and your references my attention, but there are no dots to join as you imagine. I have clarity on the both Thessalonians and Revelation and would never, ever, ever, never twist any Scriptures to say what they don't mean. I hope and pray you will accept that Revelation doesn't cancel Thessalonians in any way, but sharpens the focus on satanic activity in the last days. ? Michael you realize that God is speaking about the antichrist in second Thessalonians chapter two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted September 3, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, enoob57 said: Michael you realize that God is speaking about the antichrist in second Thessalonians chapter two? As I said, I have clarity. It's a much discussed passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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