Figure of eighty Posted October 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) For the sake of the whole free will argument... Isn't forcing people to live intervening on our free will? Why couldn't we choose whether we wanted to be here or not? I also wonder why is suicide wrong if we never asked to be here and we were just forced Edited October 23, 2018 by Figure of eighty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 243 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,971 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,889 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Figure of eighty said: For the sake of the whole free will argument... Isn't forcing people to live intervening on our free will? Why couldn't we choose whether we wanted to be here or not? I also wonder why is suicide wrong if we never asked to be here and we were just forced Hullo Figure of Eighty, Have you ever heard the phrase "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"? If we had the power to choose whether we exist or not we would already exist. We exist because God desires fellowship with us. Satan exists because opposites are a consequence of whatever is, in this case because God exists the possibility of opposition to Him exists. Suicide is wrong because it is the opposite of seeking God's kingdom and His righteousness before all else. For more truth on these matters...read The Bible...study the Bible...and call on the name of Jesus Christ for everything. Edited October 24, 2018 by Michael37 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael37 said: Hullo Figure of Eighty, Have you ever heard the phrase "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"? If we had the power to choose whether we exist it not we would already exist. We exist because God desires fellowship with us. Satan exists because opposites are a consequence of whatever is, in this case because God exists the possibility of opposition to Him exists. Suicide is wrong because it is the opposite of seeking God's kingdom and His righteousness before all else. For more truth on these matters...read The Bible...study the Bible...and call on the name of Jesus Christ for everything. But. God also throws people in an eternal torement who never asked to be here. I'll never understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, PepperS said: God doesn't force people to live. Suicide is wrong because it is murder and it is destroying God's creation. There are more reasons. I am sure others will chime in. No one asked to be born though...yet here everyone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 243 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,971 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,889 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, Figure of eighty said: But. God also throws people in an eternal torement who never asked to be here. I'll never understand that. He doesn't do this randomly. Once again, how can anyone make a choice whether or not to exist without first existing? This time I am going to say... "Dah!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael37 said: He doesn't do this randomly. Once again, how can anyone make a choice whether or not to exist without first existing? This time I am going to say... "Dah!" Does his word say he knew us while we were in the womb?( I'm paraphrasing..) God has foreknowledge of who will be born. He creates/created each and every person. Who's lived and will live. Either He's all knowing or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, PepperS said: There have been babies tortured and murdered by their own parents when they were only a few days old. I get your point. I have struggled with this too. The answer is above my pay grade. Above your pay grade? This was probably supposed to be a nice joke...but it went over my head ..so please forgive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, PepperS said: There have been babies tortured and murdered by their own parents when they were only a few days old. I get your point. I have struggled with this too. The answer is above my pay grade. For the babies being murdered that's clearly their parents fault. Definitely exercised their free will to do evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 24, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said: Well, it is kind of hard to make yourself... I wasn't very good at putting my arms on my torso and what not. Let's just say I "needed a hand" with it. ? Cute response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, Figure of eighty said: For the sake of the whole free will argument... Isn't forcing people to live intervening on our free will? Why couldn't we choose whether we wanted to be here or not? I also wonder why is suicide wrong if we never asked to be here and we were just forced I am not seeing how us being conceived is a "free will" argument. If we didn't exist before we were conceived, then how would we have had a say in whether we wanted to live or not in the first place? It really makes no sense as a free will argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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