An Amicable End

[IronyLaughsatReason]

I recieved a personal message from a person. I will let they remain anonoymous. But they told me about a tradgedy that happened in their life about 10 months ago. The last line of their message read like this "Then when I'm reasonably sane, I remember I believed before all of this happened, please let me keep believing."

I dont want to do that to anyone. I enjoy debating, but not at the expense of someones faith. If any words that i have posted have done that to a single person, than its a single person to many. I also dont wish to impede someone from finding Christ, someone who comes to this site for answers. If someone can find happiness in your religion i dont want to stop that. So i have decided that i will stop posting, cause i dont want something like that on my conscience. That doesnt make me feel good about myself.

I honestly dont need religion, but i understand that some people do, and i see nothing wrong with that. I dont look down on your religion, i just dont look up to it. I look at it as an equal with all other religions, even if you dont see it that way. I look at it as just as truthful as the other religions, even if you dont see it that way. The word truth is floating around on all these posts, but is it really that bad a thing, if someone can find truth and meaning in atheism, truth and meaning in Judiasm, truth and meaning in Islam, truth and meaning in Buddashism. If you can find truth in something, than hold onto it, no matter what the guy next to you says.

Of course every person from every different religion and walk of life is going to think that they are right. Its what they know. But the sad fact is, at the very best, on a single religion that has ever graced the earth can be right. Only one can be absolutely truthful. I personally dont want to gamble. I dont want to say im a Christian, and think i have a leg up on a Muslim. I dont want to say im a Jew, and think i have a leg up on a Budahhist. I dont want to feel at though i am better than anyone, and that is why i am part of no religion. I would like to think that we are all equals. Ive said before, what i believe in the most are the words John Lennon wrote to the song "Imagine". Why not all live together in this world in peace, and not worry about the next. The next world, in my mind is unknown, but this world isnt. We know that we are here, so why not make earth into heaven.

I would like to post a few questions, not to try and undermine your faith, but simply because i am curious of your answers.

How would God know if something is not above it? Meaning how would God know, if it iself doesnt have a God. And if so, can the sequence ever end. Something is only "all knowing", until it finds out that something knows more.

If Christianity is the truth, what about all the people who lived before Jesus and Christianity. It would be impossible to die Christian, or to die accepting Jesus.

Twin brothers are born. Neither are born Christian. At age 20, the one brother dies, not Christian. Five years later, at age 25, the surviving brother becomes a Christian. Five years after that, at age 30 , he dies. Is it fair to send one to heaven and one to hell. If they both did not have the same time to find the Lord, how can they be judged the same.

If you kill a man in war, is that breaking the code of "tho shall not kill". If you are fighting for your country does it make it alright. Does God turn its head. I dont see how it could, because it didnt created countries, man did. It created a single world. If someone kills 30 people on a killing spree, and the other kills 30 people in war, is it looked at the same.

A 2 year old child dies. What happens? It was never able to exercise the free will to choose between good and evil. If God can send that child to either heaven or hell, do we really have free will. If it knows what the child would of grown up to be, then we are only puppets, and God is the puppet master. If God cant send the child to either heaven or hell, where does it go.

I bid you all goodbye.

THE HIDDEN TRUTH

Are there any innocent victims?

Are there any unplanned travesties?

Does purpose have a choice?

Does destiny have intent?

Can eyes without sight,

see a face that doesn't exist?

A glimpse of the wish is all you'll ever get.

Recogniton gets washed away

by the tides of time.

And the truth is always waiting to be found,

posing more reckless and dangerous

than the paths you took to find it.

[irishcowboy]

dont loose the joy,

God has a purpose for each and every one of us.

we may not now all the secrets of the universe, and that dosnt mater, God knows the secrets.

one of the first things we have to remember is that religion is dead, that religion has little to no value..... Christ, on the other hand, is ALIVE. God is ALIVE. if we do not have Christ, we do not have anything, no matter how much religion we have, with out Christ it is nothing.

as far as who is right, those with Christ in their hearts, living in Christ, and Christ living in them have the truth, and have the way, and have life everlasting. those that accept other people over the Son of God, do not have this. and with this comes Joy, Peace, Love, and many other things of comfort. please do not allow satan to steal your joy and such by using others.

if satan can not attack you directly, he will attack those around you that mean the most to you, to get you off balance and then will attack you. he has no cares about you what so ever, other then to steal you away from the Lord, to kill you, to destroy you.

*****

How would God know if something is not above it? Meaning how would God know, if it iself doesnt have a God. And if so, can the sequence ever end. Something is only "all knowing", until it finds out that something knows more.

God is the one and only God, God is the creator of the univers, there is nothing greater then God, for God is it. the first, the last and always. God is the Begining, and the end.... there has never been anything before God. I do not have a god, I have The One and Only God.

*****

If Christianity is the truth, what about all the people who lived before Jesus and Christianity. It would be impossible to die Christian, or to die accepting Jesus.

you are right, however, there are those that chose to follow God, and until Christ came, they were held in the bossum of Abraham....

you can see where there were people that lived for God, Enoch walked with God ( did not die, but was taken out of this life ) Elijah also did not die, but was swept up in a whirlwind. Abraham was a friend of God, David was a man after Gods own heart. you will find many places where people loved and worshipped God. When Christ went to the cross, and died for us, all sins, past, present, and future sins were taken there with Him. those that lived for God were also pardoned.

*****

Twin brothers are born. Neither are born Christian. (No one is born a Christian) At age 20, the one brother dies, not Christian. Five years later, at age 25, the surviving brother becomes a Christian. Five years after that, at age 30 , he dies. Is it fair to send one to heaven and one to hell. If they both did not have the same time to find the Lord, how can they be judged the same.

no one has ever said Life Is Fair. on the contrary, I have heard people, many people every year say " Life is not fair ".

God is a just God, God is a fair God. and God will listen to those that call upon His Holy Name. God has not forsaken us, God has not turned His back on us. it is us that has forsaken God, and turned our backs on Him.

example, as a father, I have children, ( 5 under my care ) my oldest son graduated this past Sunday. upon arriving at the school, my wife seen him and spoke to him, he turned and walked away with out saying a thing. a few minutes later, i saw him, and started to walk his way, not even knowing that my wife had already spoke to him and was shunned. he seen me coming, and he turned around to act as thou he didnt see me in what looked like an atteempt to keep me from seeing him. I stopped and watched for a couple minutes, and then he turned to see if i was still coming. we do the same thing to God. we turn our backs on God.

God wants a personal, one on one, love/love relationship with us, each of us, a very personal relationship.

when my children come home from school, i ask how their day was, God wants to know how your day was, all of it. yes, he knows what happened, but He wants to hear it from you, just as i know what happens to my children at school, i know about the girl dumpng my son for some one that will beat her, or abuse her, but i want to hear it from my son. i know about the f he got on the test, but i want to hear it from him. God is the same way, God wants to hear it from us.

as far as how much time we have here on this earth, our days are numbered just as the hairs on your head are each numbered. we do not know when we will be called to depart this world. just like with the shooters in Maryland/virginia, who knows when a stray bullet will enter your car, or the window of your house and take you out. who knows when that semi full of JP4 jet fuel will loose its breaks or the 5th wheel malfunctions and the truck rolls over on your car. we do not know when our day is up, we have to be ready. if we are not, that is not Gods fault.

you have heard the Good News, that Christ died for our sins... you have heard the good news that all you have to do is accept Him as your personal Savior to receive this Free Gift of Salvation. if you do not accept Him,then you can not blame Him, only yourself. if you do not accept Him today, but say you will tomorrow, tomorrow never comes, yesterday never was,. all you have is the here and now.... you can not even say you will do this in 1 minute, you may not have enough time.

*****

If you kill a man in war, is that breaking the code of "tho shall not kill". If you are fighting for your country does it make it alright. Does God turn its head. I dont see how it could, because it didnt created countries, man did. It created a single world. If someone kills 30 people on a killing spree, and the other kills 30 people in war, is it looked at the same.

Killing people in time of war, is not the same as killing some one in murder...

Murder is only one form of killing, murder is unjustly killing some one.

God has instructed killing in the past, has included it with in the Laws for certain offenses.....

we are to follow Gods commandments.... in the 10 commandments, it tells us not to murder ( Cain murdered, David murdered, ) there are other times the Lord God told them to go into a country and anialate everything that breaths, everything, this was not murder, this was warfare, this was against a people that was living an abomination against God.

there are different forms of killing, and no, they are not the same.

*****

A 2 year old child dies. What happens? It was never able to exercise the free will to choose between good and evil. If God can send that child to either heaven or hell, do we really have free will. If it knows what the child would of grown up to be, then we are only puppets, and God is the puppet master. If God cant send the child to either heaven or hell, where does it go.

Some will say that a child falls under the same covering as the parent, in other words, if the parents are followers of Christ, then the child is under their mantle, if the parents are not followers then the child, again falls under their destiny, until the child is of age where he/she can choose for themselves.....

others will tell you that the children will be spared until they reach the age of accountability ( which would be different for each child ) no one is born saved. we are all born into a world of sin, we are all born into sin.

something some people may disagree with me on, is if they have been in church all their life, then they are automaticlly saved, that is not true, they still have to take Christ as their Savior, or they are lost.

as far as the actual answer on this one, you will have to seek God's face and ask Him for the answer . you will have to seek God to find the answers to a lot of questions.

dont allow others to try and steal your joy away, if you do not have joy in your life, then seek God that you may recieve it from Him.

mike