Iryssa Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,860 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/13/1984 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Sam, Logical fallacies aside, I'm really curious about why you're here. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I want to discourage people from checking out Christianity...but if you're so convinced that Christians are wrong and you are right, what exactly are you doing here? I certainly welcome honest questions from people coming with a spirit of willingness to learn, but if your motive is to convert us to the Muslim faith, I gotta tell you, you're wasting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Lord, we lift up Sam68 to You; I don't think it's an accident that he is here. Lord, You have brought many out of the darkness into the light and we know You can do the same for Sam68. Though like Saul he may come as one seeking to discredit our faith, You can turn him around and make him another Apostle Paul. Lord let something that has been said here be planted in Sam's heart and Lord, water that seed until it becomes a full, thriving plant. In Jesus name, amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 80 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2005 Lord, you have brought Sam68 here to this forum. If we can be of any help in bring Sam68 to you, bless us with the words that will touch his heart, bless us with the kindness and understanding that we need to be good witnesses to your spirit and word. Lord, we ask you to continue to move upon Sam68's heart and give him the desire to know the true God. Lord, may your will be done and may your kingdom come to Sam68's life. We ask all this in Yeshua's name. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam68 Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 28, 2005 Sam, where did you get your "facts"? Is this your own research? Instead of looking for rather insignificant things like this, you should check out the claims of Jesus. He said He is God. He came here to pay for the sins that keep all of us apart from the Lord. That is the kind of important information you need to investigate. Sam, who is Jesus to you? Do you believe in the Lord? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HI, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE....!!!!! SHOM ME THE VERSES PLS WE WILL READ IT TOGEHER ,IF YOU DONT MIND Excuse me!!!! As you said THESE ARE FACTS... Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"? Yes He did. If you read the gospels (have you read them?) you will see over and over again where Jesus does clearly tell the Jews that He is God. It is why the Jews tried to stone Him time and time again. I answered your questions. Would you please tell me who Jesus is to you? I would like to know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam68 Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 28, 2005 hi guys, I am sure of my own belief as a Christian but I would also like to know more about my religion. I sometimes feel ridiculed as a Christian cant answer some questions. I appreciate your sentiments.However,I want to be sure that you are really interested in learning the truth before I continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam68 Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 28, 2005 hi guys , where are you i am here to know the Truth anybody here to lead me to the route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iryssa Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,860 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/13/1984 Share Posted May 28, 2005 So please, point out where it says in any gospel that he is God. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> John 10:30 "I and the Father are one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2005 Welcome to worthy. The bible is the word of God. If there are "conflicting" verses, the problem isnt the verses or the bible, but rather the lack of understanding on our part. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Simple but excellent answer, Ayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2005 hi guys, I am sure of my own belief as a Christian but I would also like to know more about my religion.  I sometimes feel ridiculed as a Christian cant answer some questions. I appreciate your sentiments.However,I want to be sure that you are really interested in learning the truth before I continue. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As a Christian then, why do you take the words of muslim apologists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 28, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2005 WHAT GOSPEL ARE YOU READING?!?!?!? Where does Jesus ever say he is God, I would Love for you to point this out! I really would!! So please, point out where it says in any gospel that he is God. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and He saw and was glad. Joh 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM! Joh 8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by. The Jews wanted to stone Him for equating Himself with God. Jesus used a name of God in this verse. Joh 8:23 And He said to them, You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Joh 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins. Dont forget this passage too, which states that Jesus is Lord. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God; his name was John. Joh 1:7 This one came as a witness, to bear witness concerning the Light, so that all might believe through him. Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh 1:9 He was the true Light; He enlightens every man coming into the world. Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and the world did not know Him. Joh 1:11 He came to His own, and His own received Him not. Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name, Joh 1:13 who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God. Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth. Joh 1:15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, This was He of whom I spoke: He who comes after me has been before me, for He was preceding me. Joh 1:16 And out of His fullness we all have received, and grace for grace. Joh 1:17 For the Law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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